5. Stop killing large numbers of Muslim people in the Middle East every week and see if that doesn't make them less likely to kill comparatively small numbers of people in Western cities every couple of years.
> “That’s not what terrorists say,” said Maher. When you capture one, or when they leave a note, you know what they say? Because you’re in Muslim lands. I have a crazy idea: Why don’t we get out of Muslim lands?”
> “But bombing them over there is what is causing the Paris thing to happen! That connection needs to be made. We don’t have to be bombing them there,” said Maher, before discussing how the U.S. military should vacate the Middle East and let other Middle East countries take on the fight against ISIS.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/13/bill-maher-...
Say that we leave them to themselves. The USA abandons all of its based on "Muslim lands". They decide to leave us in peace after we apologise profusely and offer reparations for the damage we've done?
They aren't doing this for retribution for our acts in the middle East. You've missed the point of ISIS.
They want all non-Muslims who don't want Sharia Law dead. Attacking us is designed to provoke us to alienate the "grey zone" Muslims who have integrated in the west and are moderate, sensible and peaceful. If those moderates don't join IS then they are going to also get killed.
These guys are following an "actual" prophesy. They are trying to make it come true.
Check out the wikileaks article via my tweet earlier and you'll realise that we have very little chance of preventing further terrorist attacks assuming we continue our current course.
Leaving the Muslim lands and making reparations is not going to help the situation at all. It may help or children's children, but it won't solve the "now" problem.
> They want all non-Muslims who don't want Sharia Law dead
This is a good example of a western propaganda. Sure, there are radical people who say so but they do not have mass support to realise this plan and not everyone thinks so.
> Leaving the Muslim lands and making reparations is not going to help the situation at all
Why don't we try? In the meantime we can take other measures to protect ourselves too.
Anyhow it works relatively nicely here in Finland. We only take part in UN operations as peacekeepers. And we don't have radicalized Muslims doing strikes in Finland. But for some reason Finnish Muslim radicals still travel to Syrian and join ISIS.
I don't think Levant will be peaceful in my lifetime unless Israel magically disappears from the map.
Despite the attention it receives, Israel is actually a pretty localized issue. It has very little to do with the biggest conflicts in the Middle East.
If Israel weren't around, Syria would still be destabilized and we would still have ISIS.
Also, your rhetoric around wiping Israel off the map kind of gives your agenda away.
Are you sure?
According to the founding father of Zionism Theodore Herzl, “the area of the Jewish State stretches: “From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates.” According to Rabbi Fischmann, “The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon.”
When viewed in the current context, the war on Iraq, the 2006 war on Lebanon, the 2011 war on Libya, the ongoing war on Syria and Iraq, the war in Yemen, the process of regime change in Egypt, must be understood in relation to the Zionist Plan for the Middle East. The latter consists in weakening and eventually fracturing neighboring Arab states as part of an Israeli expansionist project.
The Zionist project supports the Jewish settlement movement. More broadly it involves a policy of excluding Palestinians from Palestine leading to the eventual annexation of both the West Bank and Gaza to the State of Israel.
According to Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya in a 2011 Global Research article, The Yinon Plan was a continuation of Britain’s colonial design in the Middle East:
“[The Yinon plan] is an Israeli strategic plan to ensure Israeli regional superiority. It insists and stipulates that Israel must reconfigure its geo-political environment through the balkanization of the surrounding Arab states into smaller and weaker states.
Yeah, it's just that no Israelis want any more areas. Except the extremist ones.
I got the idea of wiping Israel off the map from PLO "peace suggestion". I'm not going to pick a side in that stuff. I'm just extremely cynical that there would ever be peace.
I really thought that everybody would consider "wiping Israel our of Levant" outright ridiculous idea. I will try to be more specific next time.
To me "power projection" in itself is morally very questionable. Even without terrorist attacks. Unfortunately modern geopolitics is more Machiavellian than Machiavelli himself was.
Unfortunately trying to stop genocide with violence and failing miserably is even more wrong. On the other hand using supposed genocide as excuse to forward geopolitical interests would also be wrong.
Given how Vietnam, Afghanistan, or Iraq wars have turned out, I'm not in favor of meddling. Given how nobody gave single fuck about Khmer rouge, I don't believe in genuine good will in geopolitics. So I'm not giving my permission to anybody to conduct air strikes in Syria, but they won't ask me either. Only air strike that gets my approval is dropping several tonnes of polyurethane to Dabiq.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isi...
> The country had announced earlier this month that it would expand its aerial campaign against ISIS in Iraq -- which it began a year ago -- to include the militant group's positions in Syria.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/27/middleeast/syria-france-isis-b...
5. Make peace
But I forgot, that's just 'naïve'.
They want to fulfill a prophesy. Everyone be who is not IS is to be killed. That includes moderate Muslims that don't join IS. Read the wikileaks article linked above.
This isn't about revenge or retribution.
Yes it's hard but it needs to be on the top of that list.
Really, the only way (in my opinion) to stop this now and de-escalate the hatred, is to segregate via mass deportations and pull-backs of expats. It's not a "pretty" thing to suggest, and I'd even argue against it on moral grounds as it'll include complete innocents.