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How many citizens show we permit to be slaughtered in the name of unwavering tolerance?

EDIT: There is preventing integration as a host nation's people, and refusing to integrate as an immigrant. One can only do so much to make a person feel welcome in a country as their new home. You may bring your beliefs, but you'll follow the laws and human rights expectations of your host country. Otherwise, stay at home, war torn or not.

Disclaimer: American who is unwilling to watch first world country progress move backwards due to political correctness.

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Are you referring to the western powers which have killed millions of Muslims this last decade?

Western powers? Not so much.

"Al-Qaida Kills Eight Times More Muslims Than Non-Muslims"

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/surprising-study-o...

"ISIS’s Gruesome Muslim Death Toll: The group’s killing of Westerners gets attention. But ISIS has killed far more Muslims, and publicizing that fact would harm it more."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/07/isis-s-grue...

"Well, if spilling Muslim blood is the deciding factor for us Muslims to decide who we should take vengeance against, then al-Ansi and others in al Qaeda should immediately go into hiding. Simply put, al Qaeda has been slaughtering Muslims for years. Islamic clerics, doctors, nurses, women, children, etc. -- you name any type of Muslim, and al Qaeda has butchered them.

In fact, a report released in 2009 by the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point documented the people killed by al Qaeda between 2004 and 2008. It found that only 12% of the victims of al Qaeda were Westerners. That suggests that al Qaeda has killed seven times as many Muslims as non-Muslims. And these attacks were just the ones for which al Qaeda had publicly claimed responsibility."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/15/opinion/obeidallah-al-qaeda-hy...

> In fact, a report released in 2009 by the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point documented the people killed by al Qaeda between 2004 and 2008. It found that only 12% of the victims of al Qaeda were Westerners. That suggests that al Qaeda has killed seven times as many Muslims as non-Muslims.

Well, if you assume that all Westerners are non-Muslims and all non-Westerners are Muslims, it suggests that.

Millions have died throughout the Middle East, millions have become refugees, millions have sufferred from the economic consequences all of which is the directly because of Americans needed to avenge the death of 3000 new yorkers.

The Western world lost all moral superiority when they decided torture and genocide were acceptable acta to commit.

It's not whether Al-Qaeda or ISIS kill more Muslims or non-Muslims. Is how many Muslims or Arabs are dead as an effect, direct or indirect, of the Western interventions in the area.

US-backed Iraq against Iran war: some 1/2 million - 1 million deaths.

Desert Storm: 20-30 thousand

Operation Desert Fox (1998): 600 (in 4 days)

Iraq War: 30-40 thousand

Sanctions against Iraq: somewhere between 150 and 500 thousand deaths.

And this is Iraq (and Iran) alone.

Then there are: the war in Libya and its ongoing civil war, the civil war in Iraq, in Syria, the bombs on Gaza, Afghanistan... all the direct work or at least helped or backed by the Western countries.

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