Rocket Fiber Launches 100GB/s Internet Service in Downtown Detroit
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but the convention that network connections are rated in bits per second is very strong, and largely solves this sort of confusion
NYC also has competition between Time Warner, RCN (who I use) and Verizon FiOS.
There are other operators which are even less expensive (but 4G coverage and upstream fixed network peering changes a bit).
Comcast charges $65.95/mo. to $78.95/mo for 70mb/s in the Detroit metro area. $70/month for 1gbs service and not having to deal with Comcast is a no-brainer
In Utrecht, Online.nl is ~$54 for 50mbps fiber.
Fiber.nl is ~$44 euro for 50mbps fiber.
Per https://www.internetten.nl and online.nl
$70 for 1gbps rather beats that by a drastic margin. Many cities in the US are seeing gigabit consumer fiber deployments at that price range.
You need to factor in the marginal utility of added bandwidth. Few people can meaningfully utilise 20-50mbps (a full HD stream is <10mbps), much less 1gbps, so you're looking at paying $20-30 for, essentially, nothing.
For the record, I count myself in the group of people who can't utilise such a connection, although I'm squarely in the group of people who'd pay for the faster connection in a heartbeat regardless.
Why is upload always so low? Is it expensive for upstream bandwidth?
Nah. Sometimes it's due to the last mile access technology being asymmetric (ADSL, cable, PON), but mostly it's to differentiate consumer products from business products.
Their asymetric bandwidth offering is configured that way on purpose, it isn't the hardware. They offer symetrical bandwidth if your line a business connection.
I've had FiOS residential and business over the _same_ line (different times, of course) and it goes to the same CO.
I would love higher BW but while I could afford it I already have my own cable modem and to upgrade would need to get special equipment from my ISP, which I would have to lease and deal with the inconvenience of giving back at one of their far away locations. It's been annoying the past so decided to pass.
But for anyone who is price sensitive doubling/tripling their internet bill is a non-starter.
www.xfinity.com/internet-service.html
I'm at like $40/month for 12Mbps in Lakewood (on CenturyLink).
I call up every year (I set a calendar reminder) and remind them that I have other choices. Bam I am yet another offer for the next year.
Works every time.
~$20 for 1gbps in Bucharest. That's the equivalent of around $80-$100 adjusted to US incomes.
edit: added income reference
Try Australia. $80/month for 8mbit/1mbit if you're lucky.
For reference, our business connection (50/50) costs ~$1200/month.
Does that include the opt-out from tracking fee?
I don't live in Austin and don't have GigaPower, but I remember there was a kerfuffle around AT&T offering the service at two price points, cheaper if you allow them to track your web activities and something like $30 more if you opt-out.
Or, hopefully that whole thing just went away.
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I've visited quite a few times and yeah, your internet connections truly are painful to use even when I'm on holiday and not really using the net that much. Much worse than rural areas of Europe which typically only get 1-3Mbit/s ADSL. Some of it is the latency to faraway CDNs and EU/US-centric servers and saturated intercontinental cables, but even South African sites seem to be awfully slow, with high latency, which to me suggests overloading on the core infrastructure. Is that the case? (I know you see microwave comms towers all over the place - if those are being used as the main cross-country internet links then that could be it.)
I don't have any data to back up or refute such a claim, but it makes sense: Europe & North America have economies of scale for internet infrastructure, including hosting, so hosting there is presumably cheaper than in SA or other African countries. Which drives the domestic demand for hosting abroad, causing that money to not be reinvested in the local infrastructure. I don't know what the solution to that is. Maybe global CDNs building (more) datacentres in Africa will bring some of that money back and have a positive impact on the local ecosystem? (Taking their hosting money abroad is presumably the rational choice for most African companies, so it's difficult to fault them for not "helping themselves")
In urban NZ we pay almost this much for 100% shitty ADSL with data caps. Speeds vary wildly but it'd be rare to get more than 50 down / 10 up. 1Gbps is not available to consumers anywhere in the country no matter how much you pay AFAIK.
Of late there have been some interesting photosets of the decay of formerly "high end" real estate (residential and commercial), and I seem to recall theories that Detroit could see a resurgence as tech businesses look to take advantage of the power infrastructure formerly needed by manufacturing companies.
I can understand it from employee point of view - large city - big job market and naturally those places are also more desirable. But if you're going down the startup route you're already going to sacrifice things for a potentially big payout down the road (assuming you have stocks - right ?) which is why I would have no problem relocating to a cheaper/less desirable area in order to lower the operational costs and increase the chance of success.
Maybe I'm thinking about it wrong but unless you are doing B2B or direct sales location shouldn't matter more than having funds to stay operational/becoming profitable ?
One explanation I can come up with is that if you are looking for investors instead of profitability it makes sense to be closer to them - but at the same time that kind of feels like perverting incentives.
I was under the impression that the costs differences can be huge (2x) between regions - maybe that's not the case ?
Depending on the nature of the business, it might also be access to prospective customers, particularly for b2b tech plays.
From what I can see* locally it's usually founders with shares in company and there's also a growing number of investors/incubators in Eastern Europe (where the cost of doing business/living is considerably lower than Western Europe). Perhaps it's because Europe is more separated legally and governments also play a big role (trying to imitate US model) so investors are "forced" to go to multiple places instead of bringing everyone to them.
*I'm very superficially familiar with startup scene, I'm considering getting in so I'm trying to figure things out :)
Here in Portland, at my house I currently pay around 200/mo for 50/20, but only really get 25/10 most of the time, on top of their second from lowest end cable TV package. Google Fiber is moving in, but there is another player that is really ramping up here, CenturyLink. As far as the west coast goes, they are the kinds of fiber (from the long chain of acquisitions). Level3, Integra, etc all lease much of their network from CL. But now CL is offering Business 1g lines as well as residential for the same price (around $115-$145/mo depending on contract). I got TV (Prism) and 1Gbit for $145/mo. The kicker? No caps. No throttling and no data caps at all on neither their residential service nor their business. They also don't care if you use your residential line to host servers on. Their entire network is fiber, and they've been building it out since the late 80s.
I wonder why Comcast is so much more expensive here than what others are reporting? I suppose as far as Cable Providers go, until this year your choice in PDX has been Comcast or Satellite (Dish / DirecTV).
As for 10GbE for residential, if this is literally 10G to the home then that is something new (as a product offering, technology is not new). Interesting to know how they do the hand-off as 10GbE interfaces are simply not useful for home use.
Very few places will be able to stream anything to them at 10GbE. Most regular harddrives have a bandwidth substantially below that - it takes an expensive RAID or high end SSD to feed a single user at that speed....
For an apartment complex, though, it might be useful to take 10GbE link...
Even on the business side - I run racks of servers handling dozens of clients running booking services for several hundred restaurants, and we're using tens of Mbps including really excessive amounts of regular disaster recovery syncs and backups between our two data centres.. Some companies will benefit, but most won't get anywhere near...
I think this is more of the case that it doesn't cost them that more to offer to set things up for 10GbE, since these users will mostly be limited by upstream servers that won't send them traffic enough so their bandwidth usage won't go up nearly as much as it theoretically could, so it's part a long term view, part a competitive move to make 1Gbps or less from competitors seem too little or too expensive for what you get.
Working remotely, high res video conferencing, screen casting, and even booting a computer remotely over the internet are all big applications for things like this.
With a 10gb connection you could have a computer at home that would boot remotely and be part of a company's network as if you were in the office.
Most office networks I've dealt with have fileservers attached that couldn't max out a 1Gbps connection at the best of days.
Of the rack fulls of servers I manage, we have a total of 2 unused 10GbE connections - this is fairly typical. Most peoples servers don't yet have more than a couple of 1Gbps connections. So trying to max out a 10GbE connection is an exercise in frustration.
Yes, there are the rare exceptional circumstance where someone could manage to make use of it, but they are just that: rare and exceptional.
Yes, there will be a time we can max it out with ease, but it's not there yet, and at the rate of adoption of 10GbE even for servers it won't be anytime soon.
Chaos Computer Club's 30c3 conference had a 100G fiber link to downtown Hamburg for a couple of days, still 12k users w/ Gigabit ports and a makeshift datacenter with 10g ports couldn't manage to saturate the link:
https://media.ccc.de/v/30C3_-_5609_-_en_-_saal_6_-_201312301...
Even the usual suspects (Netflix, Google, etc.) have their own criteria before they will peer with you.
As to buying transit on a 100G port, obscene is perhaps a bit harsh. Transit cost goes down significantly with volume and there rarely is a need to commit to a full 100G port. In any case price per Mbps is going to be in cents, not dollars.
100G connectivity comes in different flavours. Some use MTP and multiple fibers to transport 100G others use normal LC connectors and transport 100G over multiple wavelenghts on a single fiber pair.
Takes a pair of fibers... and now you have some very high data rate switching ;-)
Does this service come with any restrictions such as how many devices can share it, can you host with a fixed IP, effectively run an ISP service out of a home? A lot of residential providers limit such activities.
Anyway it's a good sign that entrepreneurs are jumping into this market to challenge the dinosaurs like Comcast, Cox, Verizon, etc.
The difference between 10Gbps and 1Gbps last-mile is almost completely meaningless compared to how well the rest of the network is connected. And somehow I imagine that Google might have slight edge on that side...
Also to note Google Fiber uses a lot of nLayer/GTT for their eyeball traffic.
A close friend of mine spent years managing the network of a smaller ISP in the northeast using both Cogent/HE for their eyeball network, and he was constantly telling me about packet loss issues with Cogent. On the other hand, I haven't seen as many issues with HE as a whole, more localized.
Either way using the cheaper options is a good choice if you want to keep costs low during expansion. Hell, it's probably still better than what I see through TWC.
Want quality bandwidth? Pay for quality bandwidth. Most people just want their packets delivered, a few extra 10s of milliseconds be damned.
Can't wait for a faster alternative; the next step up is around $199/month for 75/15...
Given a 300GB cap like many providers have, it would take 26 seconds to reach it.