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It's true though. Go has a small number of language features, and they are only the simplest ones. It can be learned in a day. Other languages like JS, Ruby, and Python have a big fixation on figuring out the prettiest syntax for stuff (JS promises and chaining etc, "Pythonicness", and Ruby's incessant cuteness). In Go, you can't really make things pretty, so you just bang out code.

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I don't know that "pretty" is the right description. High quality, well made, canonical C has a certain beauty to it and Go tends to offer a degree more on that vein. I personally find that much of the js, Python, and ruby "beautifying" is related to compactness more than being easy for the next guy to view the correctness of or understand.

It's subjective though. I'd guess that if you're a fan of the suckless style of engineering, go might be right in your wheelhouse and you will probably find it very beautiful if you can accept garbage collection.

>> It can be learned in a day.

The syntax perhaps. In reality there are a large number of concepts and idioms to learn on the never-ending road to really becoming proficient.

Yes, but there's a kernel of truth there. I wouldn't say I managed to learn Go in a day, but after perhaps six months using it I was much closer to mastering Go than to mastering other languages I'd been using for years. Go's road to proficiency is a shorter one, there's just less stuff to cover.

Take initialization for example: look at all the edge cases belabored in section 8.5 of the C++14 spec, or even the intricacies of initialization in a simpler language like Python. Now contrast this with how much lexical and conceptual space it takes to describe zero initialization in Go's spec: https://golang.org/ref/spec#The_zero_value

As in other areas, Go's approach here has downsides. (Possibly major ones.) But those tend to be conscious design decisions to minimize the total number of concepts and idioms present in the language.

Promises (which aren't limited to JS) are about far more than pretty syntax. Promises and promise combinators give you guarantees about your code, such as "no promise will ever execute both its success and failure callbacks" and "of the callback that is executed, it will never be executed more than once," and "once a promise is resolved, it's state cannot ever change."

Also, I don't understand the benefit of being able to learn a language in one day. You can learn how promises work in a single day and then apply that to any language that implements them. With Go, you will learn the language but then have to re-implement promises for every type that you have [0].

Consider the use case of issuing two API requests concurrently and assembling their results. You can do this using the fan-out, fan-in pattern described at http://blog.golang.org/pipelines

Search the page for "func merge". Any time you want to fan out and fan in, you will have to write that block of code for the types of the channels you have, or else use interface{} and lose type safety. So the cost of a language that can be learned in one day is that every single time you perform this very common concurrency pattern, you will have to repeat this code and potentially make errors in the process. And if you want to change how this merge pattern works across your codebase, you will have to change it in many places. What happened to DRY and reusability?

[0] There is a Go promises library, but it uses interface{} for all callbacks and does not appear to have been an active project over the past year. https://github.com/fanliao/go-promise

>Other languages like JS, Ruby, and Python have a big fixation on figuring out the prettiest syntax for stuff (JS promises and chaining etc, "Pythonicness", and Ruby's incessant cuteness). In Go, you can't really make things pretty, so you just bang out code.

So, just like VB then?

Or .bat file master race.

"Ruby's incessant cuteness" is a first class feature of the language in practical environments, but not of the language itself, in my opinion. While I can knock python for whitespace, and not a whole lot else, I think ruby is probably the most "learn in a day" language I've ever experienced. Without any background in strongly typed language or anything else C-like, Golang actually took me several days of work just to understand paradigms like slices, which were pretty foreign to someone who only worked in dynamically typed language.

JS is pretty damn tricky though, I'll give you that one.

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