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Nemesis was rather poorly received among fans of the series. Though honestly, so were most of the other Star Trek films.

Out of the pre-Abrams Star Trek films, four were generally well received (2, 4, 6, 8). The first and third films have a few people who like them, but are broadly disliked. The fifth, seventh, ninth, and tenth are almost universally disliked.

Even among the four generally well received films, only #2 (The Wrath of Khan) and #4 (The Voyage Home) are generally considered as good as the best television episodes from the first two series. Maybe #6 fits in there -- that one's actually my favorite, though I might be biased because it's the only TOS one I've seen in theaters.

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Not the first time I've heard this odd vs even thing. Was The Voyage Home the one with the whales? That premise was a bit silly although the film had its moments. Which number was First Contact? I always thought that was way better than the others.

Since it was apparently a little confusing:

  1) The Motion Picture: The one with V'Ger
  2) The Wrath of Khan: The one with Khan
  3) The Search For Spock: The one that fixed the problem caused by #2
  4) The Voyage Home: The one with the whales
  5) The Final Frontier: The one of which will not be spoken
  6) The Undiscovered Country: The one with the Khitomer Accords
  7) Generations: The one with both Kirk and Picard
  8) First Contact: The one with the Borg
  9) Insurrection: The one where Picard openly rebels against the exact thing he did in that one episode
 10) Nemesis: The Wrath of Khan with TNG characters, by someone who didn't understand why The Wrath of Khan was good

  11) Star Trek: Kirk gets promoted from Cadet to Captain in one day
  12) Star Trek <missing colon> Into Darkness: Spock is angry

8) First Contact: the one withNO! IT ENDS HERE!! NOW!!

Insurrection is underrated. It's by far the best TNG movie as far as pacing goes. First Contact feels like it is stuttering and I think people like it mostly because the Borg are always a hot topic for Trekkies.

I don't hate Insurrection. It's totally watchable, which is more than I can say for Generations or Nemesis. It definitely has its positives. It has by far the best writing of Data in any of the movies. Picard's love story is pretty well done. I just don't find it quite rises to the level of the four "actually good" movies. The plot only makes sense if you squint really hard.

First Contact did have its fair share of stupid (Borg queen, UGH). I just thought the plot made way more sense than any of the other TNG movies.

Thanks, makes sense now, although those subtitles all sound like unaired episodes of Friends (which I'd definitely watch).

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