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I disagree, I think this kind of list is another reason why new developers write poor PHP code. For example, as you highlight, there's no mention of checking to see if the string is an email address before taking the DNS hit.

Then number 1: what's the point of having a long string stored in the database if it's compressed? Either put it there so you can search with it or store it on the local filesystem.

5. Why on earth should we be encouraging people to write code like this?

6. The same point, and even the list's author doesn't know what's going on here. He's using variable variables, e.g.

$cow = "ermintrude"; $dog = "wuffles";

$animal = "cow";

echo $$animal; //outputs ermintrude echo ${"dog"}; //output wuffles

As I say, new developers don't need these features and shouldn't be using them. For that matter, I don't think any developer should be using the features I mention above: am I wrong?

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PHP's use of variable variable's is certainly easy to abuse, but in the right hands it creates a very elegant solution.

If we took away every tool that can be misapplied and misused, we wouldn't have very many left.

This is a crude example, but imagine, eg, loading up a data model. Maybe it is lazy loaded, maybe cached, whatever, but you have an array with keys that match properties.

You could use a giant switch, a slew of if(isset()) code, or you could do something like this:

  public function __construct($data = array()) {
	foreach($data as $k => $v)
		$this->{$k} = $v;
  }

Obviously, this is POC stuff, in reality you'd want to put a 1-line check in there to ensure the $k is a valid property in that class.

AFAIK, there's nothing you can do with variable variables that you can't do another way. But there are several things you can do much easier and more elegantly.

I get your argument. Programmers all over the place inherit sucky code from newbie developers. But there is no valid argument, IMO, to a language eliminating features because they can be misapplied.

The reason they write poor code is because they are beginners and beginners always make mistakes, use functions incorrectly, etc. In any language they code, not just PHP.

PHP is often more visible because it is more used and easier to write... But if PHP wasn't that popular, we would see the same issue with Perl, Python, etc.

PHP encourages shitty code because it is already shitty code in a shitty language. It's the broken windows effect. All you need to know is from Rasmus himself

"There are people who actually like programming. I don't understand why they like programming."

see also his other gems http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Rasmus_Lerdorf

The broken window effect? Really?

PHP is far from my favorite language but "language wars" and comments like yours that lead to them are 100% brain dead. Void of original thought.

I see a little irony in people like you cursing PHP as unnecessary and ugly when you are spending your time spewing comments with those same traits.

I was a professional programmer in PHP for just under 10 years so I'm not just bandwagon jumping. I don't get paid by yahoo to post here so I'm free to be as sloppy as I like.

I could have been clearer with what I meant there, and I agree with you: it's not a problem specific to PHP, and in some ways it's unfair to label beginners' mistakes as problems in the first place.

The point I wanted to emphasize is that by reading lists like these new users might think that this is a good way to write PHP, whereas I strongly disagree with this list existing in the first place.

There's also the slightly selfish point of view of not wanting to have to clean up code like this should I come across it in future ;)

I agree with you. But beginners need to learn from somewhere and most advanced programmers are busy at work and not writing articles :)

Plus, did you ever read a PHP book? Most of them give bad examples and bad code practices too... I just read one that said to disable all apache logging (including error logging) for performance reasons.

You’re right.

Mark-Jason Dominus’s 1998 essay “Why it’s stupid to ‘use a variable as a variable name’” seems to be apropos here:

http://perl.plover.com/varvarname.html

Let me point out a small flaw in the way you parsed my comment.

I didn't say this is a good list for new developers.

I said this is a good list for developers new to PHP.

I see a big difference there.

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