Too many classic films remain buried in studios' vaults
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No, the gold standard is the Library of Congress, digitizing thousands of Edison wax cylinders and putting them online for researchers, artists and curious people to use for free. The gold standard is allowing people to see and hear and reuse what these great artists created, because it's undeniably a part of our cultural heritage.
Almost a hundred years later, and the third party inheritor of the rights is drip feeding paid access to the world. "Gold standard" indeed.
Countering that is the fragile nature of film. Not only do they degrade over time, but they are also highly flammable. When you store thousands of them in vaults, it isn't unheard of for the entire thing to literally explode. We have gotten better at preventing that over the last few decades, but that was a consistent problem for much of the 20th century. If we don't digitize some of these soon, we are running the risks that they will be lost to time.
I do appreciate even 720p copies of film, as the quality just looks so, so, much better than stuff from the 80s/90s targeted at VHS/DVD. The biggest sin being the idiotic producers' idea to record Pink Floyd PULSE at Earl's Court for live transmission, and thus use low quality recording equipment. It's one of the best visually-amazing concerts, and there will never be a high-quality version, ever. (After a long time to restore it, they released a DVD version, but it's not even really DVD quality.)
In the same way, you could adequately document a painting with a 30-megapixel photo, but if you want to completely document it, you'll be working with x-rays, depth maps, restorers, color technicians etc. It depends a lot on your goal. For a great-looking copy of a movie you'll watch happily, 4K is great. But there may be other uses or applications out there that require or benefit from more.
("O Brother, Where Art Thou?" from 2000 was the first digitally color-graded film, and IIRC this also makes it the first live-action film where every single frame was digitized.)
For the purpose of watching it and enjoying the story it is telling, does it need to get any better? I mean, our ears and eyes are not getting better generations on generations.
Try and encounter someone who doesn't know the song "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah", then ask them the origin. Most people under 30 have never seen the movie, and those that have did so using unauthorized sources.
Additionally, I remember when Cartoon Network, amongst others, began editing Coyote/Roadrunner cartoons to remove guns, explosives, etc. Also, Spielberg's re-edit of E.T. to remove the guns from all the government agents, replacing them with cellphones.
For me it is the same as the wanton edits Lucas has made on the Star Wars movies, etc.
It doesn't help that some people are very quick to claim something is offensive to them / a category of people, and can rather vocal about it, even if the thing in question is totally inoffensive (for example, I saw a forum thread this morning claiming that using 'niggles' to describe minor hardware issues was a 'borderline racist' term).
I hope you pointed them towards a dictionary.
I'd rather have that than to let these films be lost forever. I enjoy the charm of films from the first half of the 20th century, I don't mind if I have to watch them at a lower quality.
Lots of non-restored films (mostly from VHS/TV captures) are also circulating on BitTorrent, there are a few invite-only places that specialize in that kind of thing.
I certainly agree they should put this stuff out there, and it sounds like it is happening, but I doubt it's a profitable endeavor so probably not particularly high priority.
Did you read the article?
> To Allied Artists and Lorimar, their producers, "these films were worthless and they said it's OK to let them rot," Feltenstein says. Instead, Warner Archives packaged them into DVD collections, "and they've all been nicely profitable."
> Feltenstein says Warners is releasing 30 more titles to its manufacturing-on-demand library every month. "It's growing precipitously and there's no end in sight."
http://fd.noneinc.com/secrethistoryofstarwarscom/secrethisto...
"About film: If you have Hulu, watch the Criterion Collection films on it. Criterion is a company that releases and remasters some of the best films of all time (from all countries!), and about 600 of them are on Hulu."
The Big Fix[1] and Joshua Then and Now[2] are two examples.
If the copyrights expired, the studios would have to release the films before that point in order to get any money.
spending the time and money to get a good transfer likely won't mean much money before the copyright expires, thus making it economically a worse proposition.
i feel this is a case where law/finance and technology don't intersect.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweat_of_the_brow#US_copyright...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_v._Corel....
And thanks for taking the time to cite it.
Perhaps the first complication worthy of notice is that not all film is alike. During the first half of the twentieth century, film evolved rapidly. First, there was the struggle to make B&W film more sensitive to light without massively increasing the size of grain. Early film required a lot of light to capture a high quality image. It was costly and difficult (not to mention unpleasant for workers/actors) to use the amount of light necessary to get a high quality B&W image with fine-grained film stock. Color film initially amplified these problems as well as introducing it's own, which is why B&W film lived on for lower budget productions long past the broad adoption of color film.
Color film was there from the very start of cinema but, at first, it took the form of tinted stock, hand-colored film, and a variety of other labor intensive processes. Technicolor had a 2-strip color process by the 20's that captured flesh tones to a certain degree (e.g. "The Black Pirate" (1926)), but the three strip process of the late 30's and 40's is what most of us think of as the first real color film, and it heaped even more demands on film makers. Technicolor 3-strip film only produced good results on certain limited ranges of colors, and Technicolor provided consultants to help film makers meet the stringent requirements of using this film. There was a scene in "The adventures of Robin Hood" (1938) where the grass was, famously, not the right shade of green to come out well and was therefore spray-painted the right shade of green!
Finally, it's worth noting that editing, special effects, etc. and copying from this era were all done optically, typically resulting in significant image quality degradation by the final product. Theatrical prints typically had substantially less detail than the camera negatives. Today, we often go back to camera negatives, interpositives, answer prints, internegatives, etc. when transferring a film to digital to get the extra quality. This obviously makes life more difficult for film restorers than if they simply dumped a theatrical print to digital. There are occasionally unintended side-effects of this practice too. For example, "The Thief of Bagdad" (1940) features scenes with a flying carpet suspended by wires. In the theatrical prints, the grain size was large enough to hide their presence. However, standard definition DVD transfers from the internegative made them show up easily. As surprising as it may seem if you're used to the fabulous detail in well-projected modern 35 mm film, sometimes DVD video quality surpassed the 35 mm theatrical prints of the classic era!
Given how videophiles now view standard definition DVD's, it really is surprising that, for some titles at least, DVD's showed more detail than audiences would have seen when the film debuted in theaters. Digital technology has come a long way since then, but how much higher do resolutions need to climb if we're already past the point of revealing some flaws that film-makers never intended us to see?
An interesting parallel to this is the recent trend towards hidef remasters of TV shows. A great example is Star Trek: The Next Generation. The detail in 1080p bluray is far beyond what anyone could have had in mind when creating this series for TV in the 80's and 90's. It's a fascinating show to watch in hidef. Many of the costumes and sets are fantastically detailed and finely textured. Others clearly relied on the limited resolution of broadcast video to hide their short-comings.
Film deteriorates with time, so it makes sense to use the best technology available to create digital backups. Perhaps we're at the point where films, once scanned, will never need to be scanned again. Perhaps we're not. However, it seems we've passed the point where some judgement needs to be used when deciding how much detail to present to audiences. Perhaps sometimes, less can be more.
one place where this comes out to comic effect is the fairly recent release of the Batman television series in high definition. just when you're about to laugh at a tragedy, you start to laugh at the wires and ropes that made it all come together.
it is quite amazing to see something that didn't intend to be noticed become so amazing.
the sadness is how much of the 80's and 90's television was recorded on tape and not film, which is so much lower quality that we won't be able to restore to the high levels of the 50's and the 60's.
You'd probably enjoy the link I posted upstream re the restoration of Star Wars, if you haven't read it already:
http://fd.noneinc.com/secrethistoryofstarwarscom/secrethisto...
Maybe 5-10 years ago, I read that special effects work for film was being done at 4000x6000 pixels, at 48 bits per pixel. They think that's enough for working on modern film. It's probably good enough for any historical film as well. (And maybe overkill, for reasons you point out.)
My only addition to your comments here is to echo your sentiment about the diminishing returns of higher definition: putting more pixels in a display doesn't necessarily result in a better viewing experience. In my small apartment, the viewing distance from my eyes to the screen is about 10 feet. Consulting the Optimal Viewing Chart[0], I find that in order to justify a 4K TV I'd need to purchase a 75-inch TV.
I think 1080p restorations might be the final frontier, at least for me.
http://www.rtings.com/images/optimal-viewing-distance-televi...
If you want to see the unaltered version of TNG you are forced to go back to the DVD's. Fortunately, the restorers were meticulous in recreating the original special effects as faithfully to the original as possible, even to the point of bringing in a lot of the people who originally did those effects in the 80's and 90's. Practically nothing sticks out as being as out of place as the upgraded effects that were done for TOS do. Even though a lot of what we see in the HD release of TNG is entirely new, it blends in seamlessly. Extremely impressive work!
TV of the late 80's and 90's seems destined to be a bit of low-resolution dip for for the foreseeable future. The TNG restoration was expensive and CBS Paramount hasn't yet gone forth with restoring Deep Space Nine. It may simply be too expensive to give most shows the same treatment. An added problem of the late 90's was the advent of extensive use of CG effects in television. DS9's restoration will be complicated by this, and another great example is Babylon 5. The models, animation files, etc. for this show's CG effects were lost, so they'd need to be recreated from scratch if the show was ever to be restored in hidef. Even the DVD releases suffer from poor quality due to this.