Fall of the Brothel Industry
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And I assume you agree with most of the rest of the world, that organ donation should be legal, and that selling things should be legal.
It follows that arguments of the form: "A is legal, and B is legal, so the combination should be legal", are not very convincing to you. So you don't get to use that argument in favour of prostitution.
I'm not arguing pro-organ selling, here. I'm arguing anti-bad arguments.
"Hate speech" used to signify things that incited people to take up physical violence and/or other abusive behaviour against groups or individuals. Over the past 4-5 years the term has been subjected to devaluation, as people with an agenda or axe to grind invoke hate speech as a cure-all antidote against all "things I do not approve of".
But as I noted above, there is nothing new about the phenomenon. During the cold war, it was the red scare. Someone came up with things you didn't like and you could invoke pandering to communism. Since the naughties, it has been terrorism. A literal cash cow of funding, it was (and in a way still is) used to oppress anything you want - just label the activity as some kind of terrorism and shut up most opposition. Now, it's hate speech.
There is a clear trend towards more abstract labels.
The real problem with all of this is that the term loses its meaning. When anything can be labeled hate speech, the real rhetoric of hatred gets lost in all the noise.
I don't want to hijack the thread, so back to prostitution. A historian could probably tell me how things were before the Victorian times, but as mentioned downthread by chaostheory, opposition to prostitution was likely neutered by the sexual revolution. Working and discreet contraception made it possible to enjoy sex fully, without suffering from the adverse effects. (Pregnancy, unplanned parenthood, and the eventual financial repercussions.) All of a sudden a casual attitude towards sex was no longer a damaging trait.
As it has become more accepted to have sex where one wants, the stigma of using prostitution probably is also being diluted. After all, this is the age of service economy and there is nothing wrong with paying professionals for their services.
So I think we're pretty close to the general acceptance that it just might be okay to pay a professional for sex too.
Not very strange at all. It is viewed by many as sexual immorality. The rest of the world is not Western Europe and they are not HN. Religion and traditional morality whether we like it or not is plays an important part.
Note, it doesn't play a direct part the way we might think. People probably would visit brothels there just as often if not more often than someone in liberal Wester Europe. What is important is the _appearance_ of morality.
Religion and beliefs like that are tied to cultural identity as well. For that to survive, it is very important that most believe that others believe in it. They personally might be sneaking it at night to a brothel, but as long as "other" people believe in doing the right thing -- then the norm will persist. It is never allowed to publically proclaim and create laws that might say "now Quran or the Bible doesn't apply anymore and brothels are ok to be opened legally".
In addition to what you mention, things that you could only find at a brothel (oral & anal sex, or less usual things) are also not taboo anymore.
Some women and men love these sexual acts so it seems like they would pursue them even in the past. Maybe people are more open to admitting that they engage in these activities than those folks in the past, as well.
Keep in mind that even plain premarital sex for women was a taboo until very recently.
VR is going to be how that happens. I tried out VR pornography and there is very little a strip club offers over it: food, company and drinks. It's what made me realize what the true potential of the platform is.
It would be possible to implement a brothel with VR and teledildonics which, while not 100% real, would neatly skirt all the issues with real brothels: the law, pregnancies, customers who fall in love, the STDs and the moral leap required to walk into one. I'd do it myself if I hadn't figured out something far simpler to get off the ground.
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I don't know what planet you live on, but I'm fairly sure, side from open marriages where the couple mutually agrees to this, sex outside marriage isn't so much taboo as explicitly ruled out by definition.
And while divorce may not be a "scandal" per se, its certainly not considered desireable.
In short, you seem to have a bizarre view of marriage in the modern world.
You're using different definitions. By "sex outside of marriage," the previous commenter means "two unmarried people having sex," i.e., what's sometimes called "premarital sex." This indeed is no longer taboo in much, probably most, of the West.
I think the intended meaning here is "sex without being married" (or at least that's how I interpret it).
Path2Freedom is trying to raise money for a $20 million dollar 100 acre refuge/community for victims of sex trafficking
That said, just because legal brothels exist, doesn't mean illegal prostitution stops. Pay attention to the news for a few years and you'll still periodically hear about arrests for illegal types of prostitution (sex slavery, underage prostitution, etc).
The main problem with catching sex trafficking and other sexual exploitaton, usually, is that there's so much "grey market" prostitution that isn't really hurting anybody, that law-enforcement tends to just ignore the whole mass as something they don't have the resources to confront or enough information to prioritize. Creating a whitelist and getting all the voluntary sex workers on it gives you a manageably-smaller set of non-whitelisted cases to investigate.
Also to be fair there is less demand for trafficked victims, if others can choose to do so "freely" or in this case with charge....
For the first: they are still afraid of getting in trouble, and their foremost fear is their exploiters, not the police. Being forced into prostitution is not a crime, and they would have always been protected by the police.
For the second: there is surely a non-zero amount of people who might have chosen to practice prostitution and didn't do it because of the law. That does not mean that they don't end up being exploited.
Many victims of human trafficking might initially agree to participate in a prostitution business, but still end up in an effective slavery condition. The amount of "self employed prostitutes who chose to do it only when it became legal" is higher than zero, but very very tiny.
Mind you, I am in favor of legalizing prostitution, I've just grown very disillusioned by the effectiveness of it, though I'm confident things might improve in the next decades.
Please provide sources for your claims which go against accepted knowledge.
The exploiters do so as a means of earning money, if its legal what use do the prostitutes have for an exploiter? Why not just tell the cops someone is extorting them? Its much easier to go to the cops if what you're doing is not illegal. You don't hear about people going to the cops when they get ripped off trying to purchase something illegal, or have something illegal stolen because doing so is self-incriminating, make it legal see what happens
You can read for example, the article that was on HN some time ago[0] which cites Andrea Matolcsi of Equality Now
> She points out that Denmark, which decriminalised prostitution in 1999 – the same year Sweden made the purchase of sex illegal - has four times the number of trafficking victims than its neighbour despite having around half the population.
Prostitutes do not need exploiters even if they are illegal. They do not tell the cops because they are effectively unable to leave their exploiters for a ton of reasons, ranging from physical threats to them and their families, to psychological or physical dependency (i.e. they feel they cant go back, "loverboys", drug addiction, fear of "voodoo"), to general fear of authorities ("will I be deported? Will the cops abuse me? What if the cops are partners of my pimp?").
There are a few interesting bits on quora[1] if you want to read more.
[0] http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/projects/welcome-to-paradi... [1] https://www.quora.com/Where-are-all-the-forced-sex-trafficki...
They believe that 95% of the prostitutes in Denmark are already familiar with prostitution when they arrive, know they need to cooperate with pimps to get on, and are not used to working with law enforcement. The police try to establish which of the prostitutes are there legally: those who are not will be transferred to the department that deals with illegal immigrants.
Making voluntary prostitution both legal and open could (and should) cause the illegal kind to stand out more.
So even as the market for exploitation remains the same, it would not be as easily masked by other activities in its respective category. Surely it's a net positive to relieve police forces' resources to investigate and work on things that matter? (I realise there is an almost ironic conflict here: I just categorised voluntary prostitution a non-crime, so I'm as much a biased actor as someone holding the opposite opinion.)
Just noting that it won't be a silver bullet in preventing trafficking and suffering. Whether it will make it stand out - I doubt it. Having a legal front will be even easier.
At the time of writing, there are only two reviews total, one of them obviously post-Odom.
just 12 of the state’s 16 counties
Just? 12/16 = 75%. That's not "just."
Who is editing this stuff?
isn't Times Square the Times Square of America?
Obviously this was a really stupid move. Good thing the Conservatives lost.
do you know why people immigrate from places like china to places like canada? maybe the fact that there's a brothel every 2 blocks in china has something to do with it.
None of the Chinese I know here in Australia came here for that reason, and I certainly can't see them changing their votes based on a party's attitude towards brothels. Although I suppose prostitution being legal here may have something to do with that; the ones who were hated it enough to migrate away from it obviously wouldn't migrate to a country where it's legal.