A Tower of Molten Salt Will Deliver Solar Power After Sunset
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My own very naive and rough back-of-the-napkin calculations suggest that a total thermal storage facility roughly comparable with existing US oil storage tanks in Oklahoma could provide that capacity.
More generally, the strength of molten salt is to even out supply to variability in either demand or incident sunlight. Note also that concentrated solar power requires _concentration_ -- you cannot focus _diffuse_ light (e.g., hazy or overcast conditions), though PV still delivers some power under such circumstances.
But PV is instantaneous, and other storage options -- batteries, pumped hydro, compressed air energy storage (CAES), flywheels -- are either limited by material and/or sites, or by costs or engineering challenges.
Salts are plentiful, as are insulating options. Thermal energy systems are well understood. The concept is inherently distributable (no need to put it all in one spot), and, modulo spills, generally environmentally benign.
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Not that I'm saying liquid-salt batteries is are a bad thing; if they work, they'll fill a much-needing-filling hole in our energy infrastructure. But they only solve a small part of the problem.
To your point about electricity being 1/3 of energy consumption, I still think it's important to celebrate and invest in technologies that store electricity. Even though electricity is just one part of the energy picture, electricity is far more expensive to store than other kinds of energy such as liquid fuel (which can be stored in barrels and tanks), natural gas (which can be stored in the ground or in tanks), or solid energy sources like coal or nuclear (which can just sit in a box).
But electrical applications require access to ample amounts of demand-following supply. An inherent challenge with existing models.
1. Electricity substitutes for other energy uses. Electrically-supplied heat (heat exchange, direct resistance heating, induction heating), some motive power (personal EVs from bicycles to automobiles, catenary-supplied rail, possibly commutator-supplied intracity cargo freight). Cooking.
2. Much of present energy use combines storage + on-demand use. Coal, oil, and gas are _largely_ simply energy carriers (a non-negligible component is actually _chemical_ inputs -- 14% of coal, about 8% of oil, I'm unsure of the number for gas). If you can swap elecricity for those inputs (local on-demand power or heat), you're ahead of the game. Some options have poor substitutability at best, particularly marine and air transport, small handheld machinery away from mains power, and remote sites with generating needs. Take a look at small Alaskan towns above the Arctic Circle. The central feature of most is their fuel depot.
3. Generally, as fuels become more expensive (extraction costs, taxes, synthesis expenses), electricity will substitute for more of their uses.
Note that molten salt isn't a battery in the standard redox sense, but simply raw thermal storage capacity. Yes, there's the standard 60% Carnot loss, though actually that's _far_ better than the 65-85% PV losses for conventional single-layer PV technology (theoretical maximum efficiency about 40%, higher efficiencies are possible with multi-layer, and more expensive, technologies).
Many startups are working on solving that, and some, like Ambri's liquid metal batteries aim towards a cost of 1 cent for storing a kwh. Considering that currently some PV solar is sold at 5 cents/kwh , and there's some improvement left , and with a huge amount of money being invested in PV solar - it would be really hard for heat storage(maybe 12.5 cents/kwh) to compete.
As for scalability: It's hard to tell , but at least some of those storage options get funding by ARPA-E and the like, so i assume they have some scalability, even though i don't know the chemistry details.
1. Far too few good sites for pumped hydro, the most cost-effective and round-trip efficient, as well as proven, option. Seawater-based pumped hydro exploiting oceans as a lower reservoir and areas of high coastal elevation gain may offer some additional option.
2. Biomass. Which is what coal, oil, and gas are. Simply, not at current scales. Biomass accounting for a few percent of total present energy use might work, but at present (or forecast) energy usage rates, simply not scalable.
3. Batteries face chemical barriers and substrate availability. Most offer only 1/100th the energy storage density of hydrocarbons (by weight or volume). At scales contemplated, lead and lithium are both critically constrained resources. Super-abundant salts, or organic compounds, might work. But you're still left with scale-of-operation.
4. Compressed air energy storage (CAES) is something my buddies at the US National Energy Labs tell me to keep an eye on, though I'm dubious. Boyle's Law and thermal losses through compression and expansion are problematic. But maybe.
5. Fuel synthesis. 50 years of research, no production systems. That worries me. A lot. But the basic science is sound. Problems: energy cost of liquid hydrocarbon fuels increase 80x over current, and your round-trip efficiencies are on the order of 17-22%. Good news is that storage stability is proven for millions of years.
6. Kinetic systems: flywheels. Engineering challenges (precession's a bitch), very low energy densities, very high costs. They're highly responsive, but other than short-term (sub-second to several minutes) of power conditioning, not an option.
>> Super-abundant salts, or organic compounds, might work. But you're still left with scale-of-operation.
Please explain ? Assuming we have all the materials at a cheap enough costs - we just need to build , no?
Keep in mind that that's not only large areas, probably poorly co-locatable with other uses (liquid / molten salt batteries at 600F and residential areas don't mix well given accident risk -- the substrates are relatively safe, but anything in volume at 600F is a hazard), but they're hugely technical large land areas. That's already a challenge for virtually all solar energy options. Factor in likley 10-20 year lifecycle, and you're talking about large land areas with 5-10% annual replacement requirements -- a lot of O&M expense and reinvestment.
Storing excess from wind would of course work, though you might choose other options as well. The advantage with direct CSP is you've got the heat and mechanism to start with.
I agree with his remarks in principle, but really, there is far more abundant Na/K in the earths crust than the currently touted Li. And the Li would probably go to better use in ~65C melting point salts(by weight LiNO3 5%,NaNO3 6%,KNO3 23%,CsNO3 44%, Ca(NO3)2 19%, although the Cs would be the limiting resource if the competition for Li usage wasn't there)[0].
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Which is precisely where you don't find a whole lot of people.
Cooling systems (for the cold end of your Carnot cycle) are a challenge if water's limited, though there's no reason generally nonpotable water, even salt water, could be used for the open loop.
Nice to know the govt. is still on the ball
/sarcasm