Study: Women Twice as Likely to be Hired in STEM Tenure-Track Positions
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We're thinking about building software for users to link posts like this together. It would be especially helpful where the story is the same, but the articles are different, as here.
http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/04/15/trouble-walking-down-th...
He looks at some odd experimental choices in the study, and goes into some depth about other contradictory studies. I thought it was a pretty balanced and thorough analysis.
> Researchers in a recent study found no sexism in STEM faculty positions as more women are now hired for STEM tenure-track jobs at a 2:1 ratio.
So I'm not exactly sure how to interpret this (nevertheless interesting) result.
It's only sexism if it benefits men.
Not that under-representation is necessarily evidence of bias, which is what the word "sexism" implies. The study's authors, Ceci and Williams, are aware of this:
> This led to their conclusion that gender bias did not cause the small number of women in STEM fields. They said the small representation of women in the sector was caused by their own reluctance to enter these fields.
It's not even clear this is firmly sexism, it could be effects from 20 years ago trickling up to today. Our current educational pipeline is long and involves literally thousands of people making their own decisions about how to teach you.
Even so, there's another aspect here -- service. Women are disproportionally assigned service roles in academic departments (men eschew such assignments if they can). Hence, existing male staff may prefer to tenure female colleagues to reduce their own future service burden.
Sexism (in this conversation meaning male preferential treatment) is still quite an issue in academia.
[1] https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2011/01/12/new_study_fin...
In a female dominated field, such as nursing or primary education, sexism to many has the opposite meaning. For example, there is lots of sexism regarding "house-husbands". I have a charming gentleman who babysits my daughter, he was very worried about sexism, and, well, for good reason.
This strikes me as delving dangerously far into assigning motives to a group of people when looking at symptoms.
No. That's discrimination against males.
> Sexism (in this conversation meaning male preferential treatment) is still quite an issue in academia.
Yes. It's now swung the other way!
They should hire all women, and become the most cost-effective university. The same goes for businesses. Imagine an increase in profits of around 10-20%. An all-women company would be staggeringly profitable.
That doesn't happen. Because? The wage gap is a myth.
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[0] Example, http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-wage-gap-myth-that-wont-die-...
This community likes to think of itself as enlightened. I wonder why we find these kinds of issues so hard to face.
While plenty of people still use the downvote button as a censorship tool (and in HN it's actual censorship due to 10 votes kill) many have stopped and you see much more non-politically correct arguments being accepted and debated on HN these days.
Downvoting is also an often herd like mentality once you go grey you are most likely to be vote killed or close to it within minutes. But on the other hand there are much more -1 <-> +1 fights these days, pretty much the only thing that will get you vote killed these days is talking about "privacy" related things and even that is more open to a debate than it was even 6 months ago.
I don't doubt you're right - it seems reproducibility is tough these days - but a link would be nice.
http://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474.abstract#aff-1
Abstract: Despite efforts to recruit and retain more women, a stark gender disparity persists within academic science. Abundant research has demonstrated gender bias in many demographic groups, but has yet to experimentally investigate whether science faculty exhibit a bias against female students that could contribute to the gender disparity in academic science. In a randomized double-blind study (n = 127), science faculty from research-intensive universities rated the application materials of a student—who was randomly assigned either a male or female name—for a laboratory manager position. Faculty participants rated the male applicant as significantly more competent and hireable than the (identical) female applicant. These participants also selected a higher starting salary and offered more career mentoring to the male applicant. The gender of the faculty participants did not affect responses, such that female and male faculty were equally likely to exhibit bias against the female student. Mediation analyses indicated that the female student was less likely to be hired because she was viewed as less competent. We also assessed faculty participants’ preexisting subtle bias against women using a standard instrument and found that preexisting subtle bias against women played a moderating role, such that subtle bias against women was associated with less support for the female student, but was unrelated to reactions to the male student. These results suggest that interventions addressing faculty gender bias might advance the goal of increasing the participation of women in science.
It'd be nice if science reporting included a history of similar studies in their articles - especially for topics that seem to come up again and again like this.
Better, an examine.com-style list of studies on over-argued topics that list relevant studies organized succinctly.
Did the faculty subjects know that they were being tested? Sure the testers + subjects didn't know whether they had female/male students, but they might still know they are part of an experiment.
Secondly. Could we not perhaps attribute the rating of male candidates higher (or females lower) due to perceived "corrective" bias in a field? One common theme among individuals that are against affirmative-action-type processes, is that the candidates are picked not on merit but rather by quota. With that in mind, could the bias shown in the study not be personal-bias being externalized to fix the unfair/unjust bias within the great affirmative-action/quota environment?
There have been numerous stories used to justify the systematic and institutional biases and injustices against women throughout history: whether it is appeals to the divine order set forth by God, or appeals to the biological inferiority of women or the insistence that there is actually a structural bias against men and for women throughout society because, nominally, our institutions discarded explicit affirmations of male superiority and took up explicit goals for gender equality.
Bias is bias and it is out of fashion to insist that women are inferior to men. So I would not be surprised that the personal stories we tell ourselves to justify our biased actions avoid that rhetoric and take a different tack. Racists insist they are color blind and people who talk about structural racism are the real racists. A similar logic holds in gender politics.