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This isn't quite a reason to jump ship for me yet, but I'll certainly be duplicating work to other services(which so far, I've found to be quite inferior).

Did you try 1Password (which works with Dropbox, Wifi sync, etc.)? Not affiliated with them, just a happy customer.

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I actually did an evaluation of password storage services recently and chose LastPass over 1Password for a couple reasons:

1. 1Password is SUPER expensive for what it is. You really pay for the fact that it looks nice and integrates well with mac.

2. It has no enterprise level features (This is for my organization) such as user management, access logging and fine grained roles and sharing.

1Password might be good for an individual or a small team, but it's too simple for anything beyond that.

"You really pay for the fact that it looks nice and integrates well with mac."

Aren't those exactly the kind of things I'd want to pay for-- rather than opting for a cheaper solution that doesn't have those features?

Keyword: "I". Personally I'd choose Keepass as it is OSS but we all have different priorities. Seems like LastPass has features targeted at enterprise customers and it's (unfortunately) rare that a large businesses makes purchasing decisions with a priority on UX.

For me look & feel and usability are nice, but not if it doesn't correspond to my needs.

I routinely use both a Ubuntu Linux laptop and a MacBook. Unfortunately 1Password does not support Linux.

And while I do use Dropbox, I like having the flexibility of switching to Google Drive. Speaking of look & feel, on Android the 1Password interface is the ugly duckling that doesn't use material design.

And back to price. At home I also have a Windows box that I sometimes use for media. My phone is an Android, but I also have an iPad. So 1Password would set me back $42 for OS X + Windows (includes the discount), about $7 for Android and another $7 for iOS. That would be $56 with the discount, or $84 without the discount. And that is expensive, I mean that's almost the price of an IntelliJ IDEA upgrade.

It's not terrible, I mean it does provide value and the price is sort of justified. But careful on the wanting to pay for things, as that's not how the world works. Do you know what happens to the farmers that invested money in the latest tractors and the seeds with the highest yield? Most are near bankruptcy, choked by loans and surviving on government subsidies. Just saying, wanting to pay for things is a sign that you've got more money than ability to spend, which is cool, but life is surprising and things change.

If it's for an organization you should probably use KeePass, as all the data is kept locally by the organization.

Allowing any third party access to sensitive passwords sounds like a bad idea.

I prefer KeePassX instead, so keep it in mind as well. While I wish there was an official version for mobile and it integrated into the browser, I almost like the separation as I've gotten used to it.

Be happy there is no mobile version. I don't know about you but I personally can't trust a mobile phone this days with anything sensitive. :(

KeepassDroid (for Android) and MiniKeePass (for iOS) both work well.

My name is Eva Schweber and I work for AgileBits, the company that makes 1Password.

I would just like to clarify that AgileBits never gets access to your data or your Master Password. It is either stored locally on the user's machine or network or in his/her own Dropbox or iCloud account.

Please also consider officially supporting BT Sync.

I'm really not keen on Dropbox syncing as there is no need for a copy to exist on the cloud

I've got it working fine with BT Sync. All you need to do is put the .agilechain file in a sharable folder and load it up with 1password on both ends. It syncs up just fine.

Don't get me wrong. It works for me including a slightly hacky way on iOS.

However, it would be nice to have official iOS 1Password support since I believe 1Password can leverage BTSync via API much like Dropbox for a much more seamless experience.

My name is nfx, and I never trust in a closed source software.

I haven't used it, but doesn't 1password support multiple vaults?

IE: your company makes a vault in a dropbox directory shared with employees, and multiple people just add that as a secondary vault?

conflicting changes are probably an issue though...

It does, and that's how it works. Conflicts in vaults are also not an issue. When you get the 1Pass popup, you can specify the vault with a hot key (Cmd 1 for Primary, Cmd 2 for Corp) etc, and then choose from whichever vault, if there is any overlap.

> 1Password is SUPER expensive for what it is.

I don't know about that. LastPass wants $12/yr for their premium service. 1Password charged me $60 for the Windows + Mac bundle back in 2011. Other than the fact that you have to pay up front, the price seems similar.

I take it you don't use login manager on mobile devices.

LastPass costs (or used to cost) $12/year while 1Password is $29, so if you intent to use a password manage for more than two years it's cheaper to buy 1Password than keep paying for LastPass.

And just a side note, I bought my 1Password for Windows, currently I'm using it on Windows, Linux, Mac and iOS and they all work fine. My OS X says that it's trial has expired, but it still works just fine, I can create new passwords and encrypt the old ones just fine. Maybe there are some pro features I'm not getting, but it's doing what I need it to do.

How are you using it on Linux?

Wine, I'm guessing.

http://eduardosanchez.me/2015/01/25/1password-on-ubuntu-linu...

One of the first things from Google :)

http://www.lucianofiandesio.com/1password-in-linux

But someone suggested Wine and I guess it works better, but this works just fine for my needs.

As a primarily Windows/Android/iOS user, I bought it and find it much better than LastPass, which I also paid for. I do have it on my Macs, but I use those about 10% of the time, I'm mostly Win/Android/iOS. It works great across all the platforms I use.

Actually, I'd say 1Password is cheap for what it is; I opted to use it in my personal life because it was cheaper than LastPass. :)

The lack of enterprise features is a killer though. We currently use 1Password at work, but we're evaluating LastPass and Meldium as options to switch to purely for the password sharing, access control,etc. We don't want to switch, but it's not clear there's any option if you want to manage passwords reasonably smartly among a small team.

IN a business environment for sharing accounts, I very highly recommend PasswordState.

Its auditing and logging features are excellent.

I wouldn't call it expensive really. It's not a recurring cost, so the price over time is really cheap.

rattic.org is a great open source option for enterprise/team use.

Hi danieldk, My name is Eva Schweber and I work for AgileBits, the makers of 1Password. I just wanted to thank you for sharing your love of 1Password with the other folks on this thread!

You guys might want to see if you can do a better job of publicizing the LastPass import. I googled for it and found some of your support forum threads where users had contributed scripts to do it, and I thought that was a bit iffy, so I resolved to deal with it later. I then saw another comment here that clued me in to the fact that LastPass has an 'export' feature that you guys can import from. 60 seconds later, it was done.

I'm sure you're getting a lot of new users today. Good luck! :)

Hi ntucker,

My name is Eva Schweber and I work for AgileBits, the folks who make 1Password.

That's a great suggestion, thank you. And thank also for the good wishes. It has certainly been a busy day!

Any chance you guys are going to run a promotion?

Hi bognition,

Just to be clear who I am, I am repeating that I am Eva Schweber and I work for AgileBits, the folks who make 1Password.

And to answer your question, yes. We have put all of our apps (including our in-app purchases) on sale for 40% off.

Nice! you just scored yourself another customer!

Hi bognition,

Awesome! Glad to hear it.

Sorry, what's your name again?

Hi Eva,

Do you have any plans to integrate with Google Drive or iCloud drive in the near future?

Hi Subliminalpanda,

We have had many requests to integrate GoogleDrive and it is certainly something we are looking into. Our Mac App Store app does allow iCloud syncing through Cloudkit.

Eva Schweber Agilebits Support.1Password.com

Hi,

I just bought 1password, switching from LastPass - one feature I really liked in LastPass was the ability to save the master password (I keep important passwords in my head and a password manager for less important things). Is there any chance this functionality will be provided? As it stands if I want to keep using 1Password I'll downgrade my Master Password strength (because it's a real pain to type it every time I reboot, especially on my phone) and that makes me feel more uncomfortable than knowing if someone knows my system login password they could compromise my vault...

LastPass did guard this functionality with a big "your security will be seriously compromised, are you absolutely sure?" prompt which I think is fair enough

You realize that having that option enabled is basically equivalent to having a plain text file on disk which has your passwords, right? If you encrypt your filesystem, this isn't so bad, but still any kind of remote execution exploit could basically gain access to all your passwords.

Well, it'd be encrypted with my login password as part of Keychain password storage under OS X (and with my device key + unlock code under iOS) so at rest it's still going to be fairly secure.

But, as I said, I don't use password managers for passwords that are really important, I use them for the bulk of online services where I'd like to use a different random username/e-mail & password for each.

Am I missing something or is there really not a linux client?

Nope - no Linux client. Lot's of customers asking for one, too. There's a javascript client you can use on Linux, but a nice native Linux client would be ideal.

1Password is the only password manager that has been polished, feature complete, and low-impact enough to get me to actually use it. I gladly paid for it. If only all mobile browsers has easy ways for 1Password to integrate...

It's gotten a lot better, have you used the iOS9 app yet? Or I would imagine the Android app, their latest update on iOS is pretty good. While you are still using their app and spinning up a browser inside it, it doesn't feel that way anymore, and this is coming from someone suffering the pains of using this on an iPhone 4S.

The Android app is not particularly good, but it gets the job done. Much like the Windows client compared to Mac, it's clearly playing second fiddle.

They're doing a new "Windows Modern" (or whatever it's called) version, I need to give that a try sometime.

Is it usable on linux?

It's usable with their javascript-based version, but someone has also written a 1Password-compatible clone that works quite nicely: http://hg.icculus.org/icculus/1pass/

Works fine in Wine.

Can you tell me about any experiences with 1Password and IE ?

I've been a huge fan of the technical capabilities of Lastpass in general - I have many desktops and syncing generated passwords works great.

But it's never been something I could push to my business customers because it's never worked reliably under IE[0][1][2]. When I've bought this up in other forums, I only get the "oh.. using IE is dumb" sort of response, which is completely unhelpful for your average business. But it's an attitude I've often wondered if Lastpass had, based on their regular release cycles being heavily skewed away from IE[3].

0,1 and 2 are easily replicated in my environments:

[0] https://forums.lastpass.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=124495&star... [1] https://forums.lastpass.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=159855 [2] https://forums.lastpass.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=162395 [3] https://lastpass.com/upgrade.php?fromwebsite=1&releasenotes=...

70€ is quite expensive

yes in US$ 12 vs 40+ dollar for single user

$12 a year vs. a one-time purchase. Just for clarification purposes.

that means there is a annual subscribtion? i can't find any indo about that on thier site.

Hi Isn0gud, My name is Eva Schweber and I work for AgileBits, the folks who make 1Password.

1Password is not a subscription service. Instead we charge a one-time fee to purchase the app. That license remains valid for the duration of that version's lifetime.

One time purchase until the next major upgrade, then you need to pay more to stay up-to-date.

Hi Goronmon,

My name is Eva Schweber and I work for AgileBits, the folks who make 1Password.

While it is true that we think it is important for our potential customers to know that we may charge for a future version of 1Password, we have only done this once in the 9 years that 1Password has been available. And that was after a significant upgrade from 1Password 3 to 1Password 4 when we rewrote the entire app from scratch.

Customers who purchased 1Password 4 for iOS have received free upgrades (including Pro Features) to 1Password 5 and 1Password 6. The same is true for our 1Password 4 for Mac customers, who received 1Password 5 (our current version) for free.

I'm still on v3. I have the family licence. I'd like to move to v4+ but I don't see a cost effective upgrade route, for windows, ios and android in my case.

Hi junto,

My name is Eva Schweber and I work for AgileBits, the folks who make 1Password.

For Windows you are eligible for an existing customer discount. Just go to our store at http://agilebits.com/store and click on the Upgrade button under the license you are wanting to purchase. You will be prompted to enter your 1 Password 3 license code and then you will see the discounted prices you are eligible for.

We have also changed our sharing policies to match Apple's Family Sharing plan. Now a family living in a single household can have up to 6 users on a single 1Password for Mac or Windows license.

As far as Android goes, we have put the in-app purchase on sale for 40% off.

Does the free Android reader app still work with v4 as well?

Hi junto,

My name is Eva Schweber and I work for AgileBits, the folks who make 1Password.

To answer your question, yes it does.

I use LastPass on Android, Windows and OS X, that means at least $80.

Then by all means, please continue trusting a complete database of the most valuable information in your life to the lowest bidder.

Which lowest bidder?

1password for Android is free for the basic edition. The Windows & OSX bundle doesn't cost anything like $80 ($42 atm).

You said it, basic edition. I use the Android app to edit and create logins and secure notes. That means buying the pro features.

And, until the surprising 40% sale, the OS/Windows bundle was $69, if I add the pro Android app, it was $80.

With the 40% sale it is now $48, full 4 years of lastpass subscription

For the secure storage of hundreds of passwords that sit in front of insane amounts of personal information, with support for auto-filling on desktop and mobile, easy syncing, archive sharing, and more...

It's really not that expensive for what you're trusting it with.

Edit: not affiliated, but it has to be my #1 favorite application on any platform.

> For the secure storage of hundreds of passwords that sit in front of insane amounts of personal information, with support for auto-filling on desktop and mobile, easy syncing, archive sharing, and more...

I have all those features plus a proper web extension for $12/year.

Hi themartorana,

My name is Eva Schweber and I work for AgileBits, the makers of 1Password. I just wanted to thank you for sharing your love of 1Password! We love our customers and with folks like you, is it any wonder why?

What annoyed me and made me switch to Last pass is that once I had all their apps, they released new versions which I had to pay for, again.

Not cheap, but undoubtedly the most common paid app I use. For me, the workflow of jumping in and out feel smoother and saves time compared to other products I've used. It's only a few seconds, but to me at least, I stay much more productive and in flow, which easily makes it a cost savings.

Nope, they are too pricey and their Windows version is not that smooth like competitors. I'm using Sticky Password - http://www.stickypassword.com

I tried it for all of a week in the past. It's the top one I'm looking at moving to, but honestly the reviews that have been done by users of both are lacking on information, so I don't know what I'm giving up.

Very happy user of 1password here, features, UX and overall ethos of Agilebits are to be commended

+1 for 1password. Best password management software out there.

Hi zakelfassi,

My name is Eva Schweber and I work for AgileBits, the folks who make 1Password.

Thank you so much for the endorsement. Way to make my day!

Hi ge0,

My name is Eva Schweber and I work for AgileBits, the folks who make 1Password.

I just wanted to thank you for your kind words.

Seconded, a really amazing UI and UX with security at the forefront. Not to mention the apps are updated often to take advantage of the latest iOS and OS X features (they support other platforms but I don't use those apps).

It's not clear what the "Pro Features" in-app purchase includes. Is this something that's required for true usability?

Hi jobu,

My name is Eva Schweber and I work for AgileBits, the folks who make 1Password.

You do not need the iOS app's Pro Features for looking up or entering Logins. But you can read much more about what you do get for purchasing the Pro Features here: https://support.1password.com/guides/ios/pro-features.html

No. I just bought 1Pass and it is perfectly usable without Pro features on mobile. The major one is just ability to use multiple vaults.

Hi cburgess,

My name is Eva Schweber and I work for AgileBits, the folks who make 1Password.

Thanks so much for the complements! Our designers and developers work really hard and it great to see their efforts being so well appreciated!

I was a longtime LastPass user and switched to 1Password about 6 months ago and have been really impressed by it.

I'm thinking of making the switch.

Question for you and others who have migrated from LastPass to 1Password:

Were there any sticking points? How did you go about moving over your password database?

I used to be a free user of LastPass and wanted a vault on-the-go. With LastPass the only option was an annual subscription, for an app that I didn't find particularly impressive.

Switching to 1Password was extremely easy. It offered simple instructions on how to import from LastPass and the pricing model (pay once for the piece of software) was a lot more compelling to me. As an added bonus, the app is super well developed and designed. It _just_ works, and works the way you expect it to. 100% satisfied.

Hi acrooks,

My name is Eva Schweber and I work for AgileBits, the folks who make 1Password.

I'm so glad to hear that the transition was and easy one and that you are so satisfied with our product! I will certainly share your kind words with our designers and developers.

Even on Android 1Password feels like a first class citizen (I think some third party app integration is lacking but i'm used to going back and forth to copy passwords). I am very happy with what it provides.

Hi suhailpatel,

My name is Eva Schweber and I work for AgileBits, the folks who make 1Password.

I don't know what version of Android you are on, but if you are running Android 4.0 or higher, you can use our snazzy Filling feature so you don't have to copy and paste Logins anymore. You will find more details here: https://support.1password.com/guides/android/filling.html

Been using it for years on multiple machines and iOS devices. Works great, and I happily pay for it every once in a while. I'd rather support a small company dedicated to this, than get a cheap product from a corporation with unclear goals.

Hi jwr,

My name is Eva Schweber and I work for AgileBits, the folks who make 1Password.

Thanks so much for appreciating our dedication to our product. Security is incredibly important to us and we take the quality of our work very seriously.

Holy crap, this is annoying...

Eva - love your company and product, but you're spamming HN with this stuff. Update your profile to disclose your affiliation, up-vote the comments praising 1Password if you want, and answer questions candidly. Happy to see company reps participating in the conversation!

Just kill the "Hi so-in-so" and the boilerplate "I am Eva...". If all you have to say is thank you, upvote and leave it at that - your posts are taking up like 50% of the article commentary...

Adding to the other response here -- it's great to thank your customers, and you wouldn't want to hide that you're affiliated with AgileBits. But please bear in mind that people reading HN are here to read a discussion.

A good guideline is just "does this add useful/interesting content to the discussion?"; if not, think very hard before adding it.

Plus from the HN guidelines: Please don't sign comments; they're already signed with your username. If other users want to learn more about you, they can click on it to see your profile.

All that said, welcome to HN!

This is a little different. I think the disclosure is important. Maybe they could just be more succinct with it.

i've often felt that hn should support some sort of flair for people who want to make it clear that they are speaking for their company

Hi quanaut,

My name is Eva Schweber and I work for AgileBits, the folks who make 1Password.

You will find the users manuals for all of our platforms at http://support.1password.com and if you have any questions about specific features, please feel free to ask one of our support jedis at http://discussions.ahilebits.com.

Give okeylabs a look. Not out yet but for the future.

Can't watch their demo video -- blocked because of copyright infringement. Whoops.

Really? I can, what country are you in? At least there's animated sections under the main heading.

Does it work with Linux, Windows or Android?

Seems like the alpha is only for Apple products, I read that their next step is to support Windows and Android

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