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They have the same resolution, same amount of memory, same amount of storage. I don't shoot video, and I probably won't use fingerprint reader - but I do use wireless charging every day.
But that's a fact about the N5, not the N5X/6P. I mean, what would you want from a new phone that would show up on a spec sheet?
Faster? Check, both of these are. The 808/810 aren't gigantic generational leaps over the 800, but they're significantly faster + 64-bit.
Better screen? They're both bigger; >1080p resolution seems irrelevant on a 5"-ish screen (though obviously welcome on larger screens where 1080p would be under 400 dpi).
More storage? Well, the 6P gives that to you, though the 5X doesn't.
USB Type-C and faster charging? Check.
Better camera? Check.
Bigger battery? Check (2300 mAh for N5, 2700 mAh for 5X).
More RAM? Check on the 6P, the same on the 5X.
Plus the fingerprint thing is probably a bigger deal than you think. Loss of wireless charging is definitely a minus, though.
So that's one downgrade, two specs that haven't changed on the 5X, and six that have; eight of those specs are better on the 6P. That's not a small upgrade, it's just that you have no reason to bother with an upgrade.
1. The wireless charging, while seemingly a small thing, was to me a huge improvement in my experience of using the phone. The fact that I can sit down at my desk, plop the phone down, and it'll just work, and when I get up to leave I can just pull it off my desk. Removing the USB cable interaction made the phone a much more invisible and organic part of my day. Might not be important to others, but I would very much miss it.
2. Lack of removable storage. Small deal but it was a nice quality of life feature.
3. Battery that's hard to replace. My phone upgrade cycle is very long, usually longer than the lifetime of the battery. I'm feeling it in my Nexus 5 right now.
But the main thing that might prompt me to upgrade is just software performance creep. The latest software updates have really turned my phone into a slideshow, and that's getting really frustrating.
But the spec improvements are certainly both appreciated and necessary.
Am I the only person on the planet who doesn't want a fingerprint reader on my phone? I don't want to secure anything of importance with my fingerprint - fingerprints are usernames, not passwords. This just feels like the equivalent of writing your password on a Post-It and sticking it to your monitor.
> So that's one downgrade
Two, and one critical. The Nexus 5 was absolutely the biggest phone I would consider, and even that was really too big. Making one phone a dinner plate and one phone a centimeter-larger dinner plate is atrocious.
Apparently only Sony wants my money (and honestly the Z Compact series is still too big).
Given a price to stick to, it is very difficult to improve the specs substantially to wow the existing customers. Look at Oneplus one- the flagship killer and its successor- two not considered to be killer at all. I don't think existing customers would want to upgrade to the newer version.
Speaking as someone who does not own a Nexus 5, I would say I am very impressed by the specs and am waiting to purchase it. There aren't many phones better than this (keeping in mind the price).
A lot of Nexus 5 owners have pointed that the newer one does not have wireless charging and OIS. I feel that improving the overall experience matters more. Even though both are nice-to-have features it still does not help the crappy battery and low-quality camera that much. The 5x solves the existential funks first by adding those improvements. And due to the price limitation the nice-to-have features had to be dropped.
I wonder if devices will start to be built better, with more replaceable components as the rate of spec improvements in mobile devices slows down.
I may well buy a new phone, but there is zero chance it will be a 5x.
They also just updated the apk file size limit from 50MB to 100MB. On top of that, they made the video camera capture at a higher frame rate which will take up more space.
My iPod from nearly a decade ago has 80GB of storage. I don't want to have an extra device just for music anymore.
* CPU: Processor evolution is stagnating, and processors are so powerful that they can handle most typical workloads with ease. Efficiency is now the order of the day, not raw power.
* Screen: Densities are so high it that not only does it become difficult to manufacture higher density panels, but it actually hurts the device by draining more energy and killing performance and battery life to display pixels you aren't going to see.
* RAM: 2Gb, the standard in mid-range phones and up, is sufficient for moderate use. 3Gb is comfy and 4Gb is gigantic. Again no substantial improvements in the horizon.
* Storage: The more storage the better, but phones seem to have stabilized in the 16/32/64/128Gb, and anyway with cloud storage this is less and less of a concern.
* Battery: A major pain in modern devices, with no imminent breakthrough in sight.
* Camera: Incremental upgrades are looking promising, but there's only so much you can do with optics in a small form factor.
In short, no major improvements or evolutions in the smartphone field are in the horizon, but they aren't really necessary for the short-term anyway.
Try the 3D touch on the iPhone.
Adding what is the equivalent of contextual menus to the UI is a major improvement to the overall experience and I know I will be upgrading to the 6s purely because of this.
If I still had my Nexus 5, I doubt I'd even be considering a 5x or a 6p.
$499 for a decent 6 inch phone seems like the real story here. Especially if it gets the typical Nexus price cut 6-9 months out. $449 or $399 for this could happen sooner than later, which would be an amazing deal. $499 is still really good, considering the previous N6 launched at $650. I'm surprised Samsung didn't balk at this, its pretty much a shot at their Note line which typically sells for $600+ unsubsidized. I think Google is trying hard to make phablets happen for non-techies any way they can, even to the point of pissing off their biggest OEM's. I also suspect there's some politicking here as Google is trying to groom Huawei to go after Samsung's massive marketshare. Samsung being the defacto Android product isn't good for Google or Android.
The screen kinda has to be made of glass, and even Dow Corning's finest will break if it hits a hard surface. I believe synthetic sapphire is available for watches and smartwatches but not for any actual phones?
Best solution is a case with rubberised corners.
I just checked -- the 2nd gen model Moto G is $149.99 on the Motorola website (free shipping). Add a few bucks of tax and it's still one third the price of these other offerings. MicroSD slot, water resistant, 5" display, pure Android experience. This is what the Nexus should have been. Except unfortunately it lacks NFC, ditto the 2015 model.
If it had NFC I'd consider getting one myself, but unfortunately that's a showstopper for me -- I write NFC apps for a living.
If Moto would put NFC in this bad boy, they'd have a killer phone!
Now, the Moto X for $400 does have NFC - plus a microSD slot. Hmmm.
Wireless charging is something I use with my 5, but it is slow compared to USB. Compared to type C, is will be incredibly slow. There just won't be a need to charge the phone overnight like the wireless charger did.
The battery life is better.
The resolution is the same. This is a plus for me. I don't need higher resolution on such a small screen. It is already incredible for even the tiniest of fonts. Higher resolution = higher power use, higher CPU/GPU use, and more memory use. It would be fine, but I don't need it.
I will use the fingerprint reader. I'm excited to see Android Pay take off. I hate getting my credit card stolen, and I don't like typing in a code every time I use GoogleWallet or whatever I used to use.
The camera is a big deal. I'm excited for slow mo capable capture. I have a small child, and he is a ham.
I also am looking forward to the speed increase. More cores = more potential concurrency = smoother interfaces.
The primary reason I bought it was because it is financed (0%) over 24 months when you sign up for Project Fi. I get the $50 play credit, get to switch to Project Fi, and I get the phone in 2-3 weeks.
The total cell phone bill w/ 1GB of data and the phone included is less than the $50 TMo wanted for their cheapest plan directly.
Note: I would have gotten the 6P, except it was 4-5 weeks instead of 2-3, and I need it here soon as my cell phone plan is expiring.
I don't see any official dock for the 5x so far, and most 3rd party ones won't support landscape.
Wireless charging seems to be something very few people use, but those that do love it so much they would not want to trade it. Being able to simply lay my phone on my bedside table at night and have it fully charged the next morning is such a nice thing to have.
1. an always on sensor.
2. more powerful processors
3. larger battery
4. project Fi support
5. quick charge
This means you probably should only buy Nexus devices when they're new to market, unless you're happy with a 18 month lifespan for your device.
p.s. People please stop claiming what you a fact.
p.s. Being right about not getting update (n7 v1) dos not make your argument true.
They should commit to providing updates to the phones forever.
However, I have been impressed by the 6P - I might consider the $550 64GB instead of switching to the iPhone 6S.
If you're talking about thumb-stretching to reach the top of the screen, though, that might get a bit more difficult.
be glad your two year phone still feels like current gen. keep your money. don't throw away a product that is full of heavy metals (yeah you won't throw away, but sell. but the person buying will throw his old one away. so it's the same)
but no, let's instead complain i can't consume blindly and constantly. sigh.
I was holding out hope that I would finally have a reason to buy a Nexus phone with the 5X or 6P, but now that we have the final spec sheet, I think I'm going to just grab an HTC One M9 or something. The lack of expandable storage really kills it for me.
[0]http://www.android.gs/android-m-feature-spotlight-sd-cards-c...
2. Google probably wants to push the idea that any storage beyond local apps should be to the cloud.
(which is comically unviable in Canada, where you're paying $25-50 per 1 GB of mobile data)
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A year ago, I got a Nexus 5 after a long search for a replacement for my stalwart iPhone 3GS. The lack of SD card was the primary sticking point, and caused me days of choice-agony. In the end, price and "cleanliness" (stock android, lack of shitware, doesn't fight software customization very hard) won out.
SD storage has always been a mess on Android because it was originally added just as an easy way to port music and movies over. It was essentially supposed to be read-only memory. Then of course apps and users started using it and the ugly, messy history is notorious.
Internal storage is faster and more reliable so I think you're always going to see more and more phones, especially flagships, not offer expandable options.
If they want me to ever buy an SD card-less phone, they better start shipping 256GB options at the real cost of the flash memory involved (ie, $40 more expensive over a 64GB option, not $100 or more).
When you are shipping phones with cameras nearing 20+ MP where you would fill up the paltry internal storage (what, like 10GB after OS on the 16GB models?) in a thousand photos at PNG compression (ie, about 10MB a shot) you are doing it wrong, especially when SSD manufacturers are about to start shipping 4TB options in m.2 form factors (ie, the size of a small candy bar).
Still, SD cards are still fine for storing large amounts of photos, videos, and music. And as a proud father of a 1.5 year old, I like to stash a lot of photos/videos on my phone.
their user experience has always been terrible.
The other obvious reason is that phone manufacturers like to overcharge on extra storage.
I think you're always going to see more and more phones, especially flagships, not offer expandable options.
Not everyone is moving in that direction. E.g. the new Moto Xs support SD cards, while the previous generations didn't.
64GB Nexus 6P: $549
64GB iPhone 6S+: $849
So, you really shouldn't expect the Nexus 6P to be using the top-tier internal storage solutions Samsung rolls out as used in the iPhone and Samsung phones. Yes, a lot of that $300 price difference is for the Apple name, especially when you factor in the lower resolution 6S+ 1080p screen. But quite a bit of it is used for the polishing bits that make the phone faster... like much faster storage.
As a data point, the high-end Sandisk 64GB microSD cards are about $50 and are around 3x faster than the internal storage in my Nexus 6. They're hitting 95 MB/s read, 90 MB/s write now.
While a microSD won't top out at the 200 MB/s you get from last year's top-tier storage available in the Samsung S6 and iPhone 6 (not to mention the twice as fast Samsung storage in the new iPhone 6s and upcoming Samsung phone), they'll perform better than the internal storage in most mid-tier phones and all low-tier phones, which is all most folks need for photos and videos.
Also, Motorola and LG both have flagships with expandable storage. Everyone runs out of 32GB, and having an SD card handy to make more on-device storage available can only improve the user experience.
Samsung sold a lot more phones when they used to have sd cards.
What's so terrible about the user experience? I put in an SD card, my phone has more storage space, and I don't think about it any more. Seems like a pretty perfect user experience.
But that's just an easy software fix away. There is nothing inherent to SD cards (or removable storage in general) that makes it a tough UI case. It's pretty simple, actually,
Everybody likes the idea of having an SD card, but in reality it's just confusing for users.
If you’re saving photos, videos or music, where does it go? Is it on your phone? Or on your card? ... We take a different approach. Your Nexus has a fixed amount of space and your apps just seamlessly use it for you without you ever having to worry about files or volumes or any of that techy nonsense left over from the paleolithic era of computing.
Remember the vast majority of users have vastly less technical understanding than HN readers.
[1] http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/10/30/matias-duarte-answer...
That also doesn't explain sticking with the same storage options from two years ago, even though prices have plummeted in the meantime.
It's clearly about what benefits Google.
The changes they made could be useful for more than just SD cards.
One of my absolute no-compromise feature needs is removable media ... an SD card slot that can accept the new 128 GB cards. This is because my current music collection is 68 GB in size and carrying the entire collection is one of my use-cases.
But ... I also want a non-crapware, pure android phone, and the nexus "reference model" idea always appealed to me.
So here's the new phone, and I need one, and click through, ready to pre-order. And then I see my storage choices are 16 and 32 GB. Like it's 2010 or something.
So I'm ready to purchase, card in hand, full price ... and willing to add on $250 or whatever clown-markup they have for the (non-existent) 128 GB model. And unfortunately we can't do business at all.
Maybe next time.
[1] The best phone I ever had - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Fone
My hypothesis is, you don't actually need 68 GB of music around with you. In fact, it doesn't confer any meaningful advnatages.
Using http://www.richardfarrar.com/song-capacity-calculator-for-mp..., I can see that 64 GB of music at 256 KBps is around 559 hours of music - I really doubt you'd listen to any meaningful portion of that in a month.
See, I used to have a 64 GB MicroSD card, and keep music with me. But then I just ended up using Google Music, and streaming everything. I can pick anything I want, and just listen to it on demand.
Let's be honest, most people can't tell the different quality wise anyhow, so the quality argument is moot.
And it's not like streaming music chews up that much bandwidth.
Doing it this way means I can listen to my music on any device - my desktop, my laptop, my phone, tablet - etc., my playlists are synced, my most recently played lists etc. And I don't need to worry about having to backup my music (I used to do it on my NAS), or worry about syncing up new files.
It's *incredibly convenient - and I can't see any meaningful disadvantages.
Google Music makes it easy to pin music to the device for the occasional time when you are on a flight and have no wifi.
There is simply no need to cache more than 2-3 GB of music on the device.
I think you misunderstood ...
Of course I will never listen to 68 GB of music.
My entire music collection currently weighs in at 68 GB, and the use case is to have that entire collection with me. I cannot predict what I will want to listen to at any given moment and it would be a long and error-prone process to try to cull it in advance (especially if I have to cull it in half to get below 32 GB).
So I will probably listen to 3-4 GB of music in total every year (or whatever) - I just can't predict which 3-4.
Since I am above the 64 GB mark, I would need a 128 GB sd card, which are available. Further, I see the LG G4 has a 128 GB capable sd card slot and appears to be a fairly nice phone overall, so I think my dollar votes are going there.
Right now my solution has been to have a super cheap/small Android phone, install Spotify, and use it in offline mode reconnecting at least every 30 days. I got the phone for like $15 on a Radioshack sale or something.
It's only been a few years since CBS/60 Minutes went on a veritable crusade[0][1] against Huawei, alleging security and espionage concerns.
However, it's been confirmed since that the modus operandi of Western intelligence has been to simply to own everything in the telecommunications sector[2][3], so it's not a large leap of logic to imagine they probably have copies of every single IC schematic and piece of software that goes into a Huawei product anyways.
By that logic, a sound conclusion might be that the 6P renders you no more or less vulnerable to Western intelligence, but perhaps far more vulnerable to Chinese intelligence?
This might not be a concern for the average user, though it's something to consider for anyone high-profile or powerful. Of course, doing anything sensitive on your smartphone is generally not a good idea to begin with, but not everyone is tech savvy (or careful). Besides, if a phone is compromised, its owner can still be tracked and recorded against their will anyways.
[0] http://www.cbsnews.com/news/huawei-probed-for-security-espio...
[1] http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/update-on-huawei/
[2] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/22/nsa-huawei-chin...
[3] http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/19/nsa-gchq-sim-...
I don't like that the battery is under 3000 mAh but it is only $380...though I guess others are saying that the Moto X Pure and the Xperia Z3 are around the same price point but better?
At least they're bothering to release something about like an N5 this year. This is the first Nexus phone in two years.
Also, does anyone have full specs? I don't see it anywhere.
They mention: "15W of power so you can charge your USB Type-C enabled phones and tablets quickly. Also works with large USB Type-C devices, like laptops.¹".
And the footnote: "¹Wattage is optimized for smaller devices, like phones and tablets. Larger devices, like laptops, will take longer to charge. Delivers maximum charge speed to Nexus 5X and Nexus 6P. Charge time depends on USB Type-C device. Larger devices, such as the Chromebook Pixel, will typically need more charge time with this adapter (Pixel estimated charge time is 5.6 hours at 15W with system off)."
Funny how (other than current limit) the original iPhone charger cube is still like the gold standard for chargers.
EDIT: Of course, the wattage is too low, so no dice anyways.
the us page has better information, for whatever reason.
Edit: The phone comes with both the charger you linked, and a type-c to type-c cable. No type-c to type-a cable however.
The 5x comes with that charger and a USB-C to C cable.
Samsung has done a great job with the S6, the others like G4 & Moto aren't far behind.
Can someone confirm the rear shooters on the 5X and 6P are the same hardware? The specs are identical.
At least it did for me. Even let me sign up for a waitlist.
Anyway, this is what I got:
The Google Store isn't available here yet.
I cannot believe there is not a (huge) market for small, portable phones that you could put in your pocket without altering the way you sit.
There isn't a huge market for small portable phones because most people shelling out $500+ for a smart phone want to actually use it as a smart phone. They play games, watch shows and movies, read full novels, and browse the web. These are all experiences that are enhanced by having a larger screen. My wife upgraded to the iPhone 6s from her old phone (5s maybe?) and one of the first things she said about it was that the screen was small, despite it being considerably larger than her old phone.
I cannot understand how the "I want a small phone" crowd don't realize that they are in the minority.
Nexus 5X: 147.0 x 72.6 x 7.9 mm ( Front face 10,672.2 sq mm)
The front face will be larger. The only way it is smaller is the reduction in thickness.
[EDIT] My mistake, thought you were talking about the Nexus 5
In my experience 3000 mAh at 5.2" is the sweet spot, as below that you might rarely run out of juice under heavy usage. Above that no matter how heavy your usage is you'll get that whole day (and multiple days under light load).
You can buy an unlocked Sony Z3 for $400 right now (32 GB storage).
A simple google search yields links like this: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1091325-REG/sony_1289_... which is $560.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-XPERIA-Z3-D6616-32GB-Black-GSM-...
Source on that?
For anything except Video content (or the need for several months of offline music) 32GB is plenty.
The thing will likely overheat or run out of battery before 60 minutes of 4K video, but still the point stands, something that is featuring 4K video but then limits you to only 32 GB of storage is kind of contradictory.
I feel like this device is saying: "We support 4K video* (*but don't actually try to use it)."
PS - My point about overheat/battery is based on previous phones which claimed they supported 4K video. If you tried to use it the camera would switch off after a few minutes due to overheating, and the battery consumption would go through the roof.
And 32GB is plenty except for X Y and Z (where Y is large app collections of games [Hearthstone alone is like 1.5GB on mobile] and Z is music collections where you don't want to spend $50 a month in data fees for things you have on your home hard drive) which precludes anyone using those from buying these devices.
All the cell companies are in a ruckus about how nobody bought 2015 flagships, but when the best storage you can get is 128GB on an S6 without a removable battery or SD slot for an insane like $200 premium over the minimum model you might want to stop price gouging as much if you want customers.
Those are the phones I need to decide between. Current 6 only b/c it should get cheap and the Snapdragon 820 comes out next year, but I'm not sure I can wait a year with my aging Moto X 2013.
pros:
- good feel in the hand; not easy to drop
- like the choices for back, etc.
- decent camera for an Android device
- reasonable price
- superfast charging with Quick Charger
- mostly-stock android UI (read on though)
- Motorola UI customisations can usually be disabled
in favour of Android stock version (e.g. Lock screen)
- Motorola software updates significantly lag behind nexus
devices; took a long time to get stagefright security
fix
- over a dozen spontaneous phone reboots for no apparent
reason during last year (i have very few apps
installed, so it seems unlikely to be due to that, and
apps should never be able to cause that anyway)
- catastrophic and mysterious phone shutdown which lead to
rebooting to a black screen, which the only option for
recovering from was a factory reset (which meant I lost
all of the data I hadn't backed up yet, which for me,
was some pictures I had taken but hadn't backed up)
- poor battery life
- signal strength / reliability not as good as my spouse's
iPhone 6 plus; they often have data when I don't, even
though we have same carrier (AT&T)
- Some Motorola add-on software not removable
- Some Motorola customisations conflict with Android
standard customisations which leads to weird UI
interactions problems sometimes (mostly the lock screen)
I think I'll stick with my Nexus 5.
To the moon! Considering it's a six inch phone, how close to my face am I going to be holding this thing?
I wonder what's coming next. 240Hz refresh rates?
[0] http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-z...
Don't give Samsung new ideas for spec boasting.
It's a cracking little phone and does everything I'd want.
So far as I can tell these Nexus devices won't be released on a carry and I don't think AT&T gives you any discount for not using your upgrade. It would be nice to save $10 a month if you don't subsidize a phone but since I can't I'm leaning towards the S6 because it's $250 cheaper than the Nexus 5x.
Also, did everyone abandon Qi charging? It wasn't necessary but it was one like that was cool about the N4.
That's the same numerical point, but gouged for living in the UK. The cheapest phone to purchase in the UK is about $515 dollars. Yeah, no thanks Google.
Excluding VAT, the UK prices are a bit closer to what you'd expect.
As an example:
The 16GB Nexus 5x, excluding VAT: £282.50 US price, converted to GBP: £249.65
So while there's definitely an inflation to the price, it's not nearly as much as it seems.
Well, not until you realise that sales tax in most (all?) states is dramatically lower than the 20% we have in the UK. But we only have our government to blame for that.
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2015/07/28/qualcomm-b...
When I saw that 5.0 had been pushed, I upgraded, thinking that Google had vetted the release. Instead what I had was wifi that never stayed connected and seg faults ALL over the place in virtually every app that I used on a regular basis, including apps developed by Google (hangouts, photos [which were trapped on the phone unless I wanted to connect external and download them], my SMS app, WeChat, Strava, Kindle ect). They broke my phone, no way around it. It was miserable and I stuck with it, because I paid for a premium device and wasn't about to go blow another $650 on another device. Three weeks ago I got the 5.1 upgrade, just shy of a year after it was released. I'm now a firm believer of the shit phone. https://medium.com/matter/shitphone-a-love-story-a44e6643480...
Buyer beware.
Wonder how phone cases are going to handle that placement.
Seems like a PITA.
You can always unlock it the normal way with pin or pattern, but it's not as convenient as the fingerprint reader.
Namely, your defense against legally compelled decryption is significantly weakened via use of a fingerprint sensor, since the phone's unlock mechanism is the same authentication system that the phone's encryption mechanism uses (it would be really nice to have some sort of separation there).
The last drawback, I'll simply quote verbatim from the article:
>What would happen if some government “asked” phone manufacturers to create a back door to store or send it fingerprint information, and to lie to the public with denials of the existence of such a program. Considering the news of the past few years such a scenario seems far from impossible.
On that note, I wonder how compatible smartphone fingerprint data is with data you'd find in a fingerprint database. If not immediately compatible, would it still be possible to convert it to a standardized format?
[0] http://www.forbes.com/sites/josephsteinberg/2015/03/05/wh-yo...
The Google Store doesn't do a great job of indicating which kind of customer would prefer one of them over the other, surprisingly.
I don't want to whine but if the guys are reading can you please swap out to https if possible? https://www.google.com/nexus/
I've long felt that a major disadvantage for the Android ecosystem is that the OEMs simply don't have the resources to compete with Apple when it comes to designing new hardware, and it leads to situations where the iPhone is years ahead for certain features. One solution for that is for Google to invest in these technologies and make them available to all the OEMs, a bit like Android but for hardware too. I wonder if that's what is happening here? Looking forward to a teardown.
My phone recently died and i'm in market for a new phone. The 5X looks like a decent one.
They did do a Volkswagen-style cheat on the FutureMark benchmark:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8403/examining-huaweis-benchma...
so yes, they might be on the "sketchy" camp.
But I've found most of the premium stuff from China to be as good or better than equivalents from other countries, my girlfriend has a Lenovo phone and it's excellent too.
Since I'm from Latin America, I don't have to cheerlead any American or Japanese or European phone brands (we have none), and I'm extremely price sensitive, so Chinese brands like Huawei or Lenovo are great news for us.
At least it seems to be supporting Wi-Fi calling, but makes me curious about their time frame, if ever, VoLTE / Band 12 will be supported on these devices.
[1]: http://www.tmonews.com/2015/09/nexus-5x-and-nexus-6p-dont-su...
Hexa-core is neat, but honestly I'd rather have software polish that meant rotating my phone while using the camera in video mode didn't mean some probability of a system reboot. Unfortunately my experience with both the Nexus 4 and 5 is that the stability is either never quite there or actually decreases dramatically as OS updates come out and Google's focus shifts.
I've experienced what you are talking about, every time I get an OTA for the Nexus 5; the performance seems to degrade dramatically.
We're looking at spending $400 every 2 years to stay every other gen Nexus? That isn't horrible (55 cents a day or so). But if we pay for services to avoid storage on the phone, the cost rises.
Nothing about the CPU/Etc makes me think it's time for an upgrade.
I host my own Subsonic media server which means that I can just set a cache size in Android (5GB right now) and let it automatically download my media as I consume it and push old stuff out of the cache.
Combined with Dropbox camera uploads I generally don't use much more than 10GB of storage on my phone.
I don't understand how they could get such an important feature so wrong.
I don't really care about Android either, it's just a cheesy delivery platform for Google services which I don't want. But none of the alternatives seem much better either... Still, I started looking at Apple.
And it's working, I wouldn't be surprised if first-day 6P purchases outnumber 5X first-day purchases by a magnitude.
I've been scraping by on a Nokia Lumia 530 for about 3-4 months now. Great little phone for 40 dollars, but I'm getting tired of the subpar GMail, HipChat, SubSonic, etc clients that come with having a Windows phone. I figure that as long as the 6P is as good as the original N5, with a better battery life, I should be satisfied for a good long while. I didn't go with the 5X because I am genuinely worried about the subpar battery life again.
https://store.google.com/product/nexus_6p ($499)
https://store.google.com/product/nexus_5x ($379)
Shipping in 3-4 weeks for the 5x (noted at checkout).
(that's lots of very's)
Nexus 6 is too big.
Finger print is not a big deal. They steal your finger print you can't exactly change it. I also get cuts from my fingers when I work out so bandaid and all that would suck badly if I need to verify via fingerprint.
SD card is something I really want not the cloud. Not everybody got unlimited data or even good signal.
There are tons of people that takes pictures, videos and selfies that would like to have a large memory (sd enable this).
All they had to do was a good camera, good battery, fast charge and sd card. The screen could be amoled for bonus.
I have to skip this phone now. Waiting to see black berry priv.
Moto X pure is seems good but their parent company Lenovo got caught with spyware on mobile and laptop (thinkpad included). That's very sketchy.
http://www.motorola.com/us/Moto-X-Features-Active-Display/mo...
I get about 5 full charges on my phone from this - my phone is a moto e though so not exactly high capacity!
Nope.
"Phone is carrier-unlocked with wide-range band support for service providers worldwide. Check with your service provider for more information."
I spend much of my time in wifi, as does my wife, and I suspect we can shave minimum $40 a month off our phone bills if we were both using Fi phones. It wouldn't take long to pay for itself.
Meanwhile, Google is still building phones that are trying to keep up with what are essentially PC hardware specs (memory, clock speed, etc). I'm amazed they think that protrusion for the camera is cool, too.
There are obviously two very different mentalities inside these companies. How do customers get excited about buying a phone that was obsolete months ago?
PC hardware specs are important, my biggest complaint about the iPhone is how little RAM it has. My nexus 5 could support doing simple things like running an email app, web browser, and maps app simultaneously. My iPhone is constantly reloading stuff when I attempt this.
The stylus and touch long-press both predate Apple's usage by years.
All Apple contributed was marketing names.
Yes, I take a few pics on the phone per year but that's it. Looking around with friends and family I see the same. Again: I understand that there are lots of people that really do take lots of pictures and videos but I can't help but think that lots of regular smartphone users are not as concerned about the camera quality as the marketing makes me believe.
The best camera is the one that is always with you.
I used to argue the same, but this is no longer true. The cameras are really good now. Smartphone cameras have beaten point-and-shoot. They won't ever beat DSLR, but most people don't need a DSLR.
The future of the camera is the phone.
Before smart phones were camera phones and camera quality was a key factor mobile phobe sales. The original IPhone was hesvily criticised for its crappy camera quality.
You and your cricle might not take loads of photos on your phone but me and the gneral public take hundreds.
I think it's very possible that the use case for the people you are around most is as you say. This behavior is contrary to the majority of smart phone users, however.
I'm just saying - and it's fine for you to have a different usage type - that there are people around (even in "tech" circles) that are just not concerned about cameras, pictures and videos. And my feeling is (it's really just a feeling) that it's not clear how many there really are as most of these people are also not active on Facebook, Instagram, Flickr etc.
In other words: I guess my viewpoint is just as subjective as most of yours and heavily dependent on the people around me and you.
Additionally, given that most people only have their phone cameras with them and don't invest in SLRs/Mirrorless/Compact cameras, the need for good quality for preserving their memories seems important.
http://www.cnet.com/news/googles-new-nexus-phones-to-work-on...
The new thing is cheaper than the old thing, so the old thing must have been overpriced? Is it possible instead that in the intervening time components have become cheaper, Google has been able to negotiate better deals (perhaps due to higher projected volume), and so on?
http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Google-Nexus-6P-review-Seriou...
1) [Pedantry warning:] Google doesn't make phone hardware. ;)
2) The OLED Nexus S was a really nice phone back in the day. It's still pretty nice today.
So, -in short- I don't agree with your heavy-on-managerial-platitudes sentiment.
Too bad, I was looking forward to it.
Elections have consequences.
Presumably the great mass of your countrymen are happy getting additional social services in return for higher taxes.