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ClojureScript tries to be Clojure, and Parenscript tries to be Common Lisp. Eslisp tries to be JavaScript; it's intended to just be an obvious one-to-one syntax replacement.

I wrote a brief comparison in the docs: https://github.com/anko/eslisp/blob/master/doc/comparison-to...

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I am learning Shen [1], and this talk [2] shows how you can write Shen on JavaScript, Ruby, front an backend. Shen is a lisp with pattern matching, optional lazy evaluation, optional static type checking, macros of course, and many other cool treats! It can run on top of CL (SBCL), Clojure, JavaScript, Python, and more.

  [1] http://www.shenlanguage.org/
  [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMcRBdSdO_U

Really only macros are in common lisp for Parenscript. Parenscript very strongly tries to be close to JavaScript.

That's very true. For anyone with an existing Common Lisp stack who wants to use CL macros to write JS, Parenscript is great.

I wanted to write JS macros in JS, hence eslisp.

Must be fairly fun to use inside of emacs, leveraging sexp based navigation.

I'm a vim user actually! gasp

Seeing ParEdit in action makes me extremely jealous though. http://danmidwood.com/content/2014/11/21/animated-paredit.ht... I wonder if the vim plugin https://github.com/vim-scripts/paredit.vim is any good.

You know, it doesn't really matter. ;)

Never tried the paredit vim extension, but I've heard a few people happy editing clojure/lisp under vim so I'm sure it's more than OK.

> it doesn't really matter. ;)

Best way to start a flamewar on IRC: "the difference between emacs and vi doesn't really matter"

Luckily, this won't happen here xD

I suffer from Abstractitis. Everything is the same to me. #turingcompleteness

Funny, just found this about Emacs and Vi.

https://youtu.be/4YfkwfZ7AV4?t=1521

Don Stewart, haskeller, talking about is editor of choice, vi, emacs, Yi, and the eternally self reemergent struggle.

I code in CL, Clojure using only vim.

I use only % operator, set sw = 2, visual > or < to edit lisp forms and I am very happy!!!

M-x betrayal RET

What does %, > and < do in your setup ?

An emacser wrote a thing called lispy to have vi-like sexp manipulation UX (aka single letter commands).

If I want to move a nested s-exp outside: (foo (bar baz) quux zot)

Using d% on (bar baz) then move to desired loc, and p. So % is for matching ( ). Again v% visually selects a form, then < and > for indent and dedent.

I used paredit vim. It's good, nowodays I use emacs+evil, but still would advise using paredit in vim. It's pretty good, different from one in Emacs though.

Do you prefer JavaScript's semantics to Clojure's? I don't, but I'm interested in being convinced.

This is a neat project regardless.

I think Clojure is the better-designed language overall, but JavaScript's simplicity and the size of its community and deployment make it very attractive. The enemy of "better" is "good enough", I suppose.

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