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"... underlines AMS-IX’s leading position within the global Internet Exchange Point market."

Yeah, i.e. DE-CIX is constantly hitting the 4 Tbps barrier for quite some time now and is trending towards 5 Tbps.

https://www.de-cix.net/about/statistics/

And the gap will only increase if the proposed intelligence services act (Wiv20xx) is passed by parliament. The act allows the intelligence services to mass surveillance all electronic communication and forces all service providers (not just telecom providers) to pay for surveillance equipment.

Besides being morally wrong to mass surveillance everyone when the current act already allows the intelligence services to monitor the few thousand potential terrorists and spies, it would also hurt the Dutch economy. International companies would move their European cloud infrastucture to e.g. Germany and Dutch startups providing a communication service (i.e. almost any startup) would be less trusted by their users and run the risk of paying for expensive surveillance equipment.

If you are Dutch i recommend reading the reaction of Nederland ICT [1] to the proposed act.

[1] http://www.internetconsultatie.nl/wiv/reactie/828d2159-cf3c-...

The MP who proposed the law has lost support of his party recently (The Labor party) to keep on pushing the law in current form.

Also the CTIVD ,the organization that supervises the AIVD (The dutch NSA) has told the law isn't possible to implement in current form.

So the chance that it will pass it pretty small. Though they'll probably juggle around some words and try again so we should stay alert. Luckily it has gotten quite some media attention and people seem to be aware that the law is a bad idea.

They measure differently - DE-CIX uses a 15s measurement window from sFlow data, AMS-IX uses the traditional 5m window.

Full updated list is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_exchange_poin...

Well, to be fair, AMS-IX is located around the Amsterdam Area (a circle of around 30 km orso), while DE-CIX has locations in the US as well. I'm not familiar with the specifics, but based on these locations, I'd say AMS-IX is the biggest internet exchange serving europe.

DE-CIX doesn't combine their stats from all exchagnes, as far as I know. AMS-IX also serves NYC, the Bay Area, Chicago, Hong Kong, and the Caribbean

The DE-CIX graph seems to be about the Frankfurt exchange. AMS-IX doesn't just serve the Amsterdam area, it's where many undersea cables from North America and the UK enter the European mainland.

I'm more surprised that 'List of Internet exchange points' isn't dominated by North American and Asian exchanges. Do they have a larger number of smaller ones?

As far as i can tell all of asia hates each other

My traffic in philippines would actually go out of the country and back in, occasionally via los angeles (like 500ms+) because the incumbent monopoly telco refuses to peer with any other isp, so if you don't use them your traffic is intentionally screwed [there is an IX there for small ISPs, the 99% market share one just doesn't peer there]

Aside from singapore, every other country has something approaching this level of fucked-ness - HK to CN traffic often goes via LA/seattle, TW to CN traffic often goes via LA/seattle, all of china telecom's peering links are oversubscribed to death anyway and fall over during peak hours, a lot of the SEA traffic i've seen traverses singapore or worse, even if it's entirely domestic bound

no, Amsterdam does not have the size amount of peering it does because of submarine cable landings, and DE-CIX is largest by bits exchanged in one single metro area (Frankfurt)

https://www.de-cix.net/about/statistics/ shows statistics for Frankfurt of > 4GBit/s

> 4GBit/s is technically correct, however I think you meant > 4TBit/s.

Both DE-CIX and AMS-IX have exchanges in NYC now. Both have actually started branching out and building exchanges in many new cities. The traffic levels they're talking about are specific to both of their home markets (Amsterdam/Frankfurt).

DE-CIX has the same "metro" setup as AMS-IX as well, they're in a large number of locations https://www.de-cix.net/products-services/de-cix-frankfurt/ in the Frankfurt metro area.

The Dutch are better at marketing, it seems.

They never said they were the first to break this barrier (but I had to go back and check).

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