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The article highlights exactly what you're advocating -- discretion is the better part of valor.

Collecting data != harassing employees, not by a long shot.

It would be the height of foolishness to use this data for any critical decision making, and (as was mentioned in the article) there are policies in place ensuring the employees are the ultimate owners of the data and as such it would be their decision to voluntarily provide the data (for strictly educational/constructive purposes).

Remediation is the name of the game here, not ostracizing socially awkward individuals or empowering psychopaths.

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This is the height of naivete - even your own language gives away the plot:

> [...] the employees are the ultimate owners of the data and as such it would be their decision to voluntarily provide the data (for strictly educational/constructive purposes).

So if I choose not to yield my data, I'm not being constructive. The social pressure will be to "show don't tell" how you're improving (since the data is now there) and if you have data that measures x, y, and z metrics that will be what you show and what you optimize for.

That's not even mentioning the 1000s of toxic work environments out there that can now become even more toxic with access to this kind of tech.

> It would be the height of foolishness to use this data for any critical decision making [...]

And yet that's exactly what it will be used for. Not everywhere, but this is every micromanager's wet dream.

I'm not going to lie, the social pressure is non-zero, and it is indeed another lever for micromanagers to pull, but I think you're being overly pessimistic here.

The impact of this tech has not yet been fully explored and we may see the general populace finally accept that individual privacy is paramount and (dare I say) a sacred line that must never be crossed.

We're seeing a shift towards empowering individuals and placing more emphasis on giving them a choice in such matters, and I think that's a good thing and an important step in bringing useful tech to the masses.

Or maybe I'm being overly optimistic. More power to employers is coming whether we like it or not and eternal vigilance will be required to stave off the above said toxicity.

> I'm not going to lie, the social pressure is non-zero, and it is indeed another lever for micromanagers to pull, but I think you're being overly pessimistic here.

Anyone who's ever worked a job in the US and seen the toxic work culture can tell you, you can never be too pessimistic.

>More power to employers is coming whether we like it or not and eternal vigilance will be required to stave off the above said toxicity.

What we need are laws that forbid employers to use this.

One thing to consider about the article is that it is an experimental test run. The whole process is being watched and documented by outsiders. Normal usage would probably be different.

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