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>yet only 20% of Harvard's undergraduate class pays no fees

Unfortunately I think this is mostly an issue of exposure. It is probably harder for most Andover Academy students to get into an Ivy than it would be for a similar student from a rural school, but most rural students don't know that. If the guidance counselors at high schools educated their students about their options many more of them would likely apply to top tier schools.

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Why would it be harder for a student from an elite boarding school to get into an Ivy than someone from a rural school? I would say the opposite, in no small part based on the evidence that at least supports a strong correlation.

These schools value variety (or diversity, if you prefer) in their classes. They could fill up entirely with valedictorians from NYC, or with rowers from New England boarding schools, or with some other well-represented population, if they so chose, because every single member of those populations applies to one or more Ivies. Because they get very few applicants from farming communities, the rural South, Indian reservations, etc., those who do apply might get in with less impressive SAT scores or "extracurricular activities" than well-represented groups.

If this is news to you, I suspect you haven't thought much about these issues.

It's a little disingenuous to say it's easier though. Sure if you had someone with the same SAT scores, fencing prowess, IB classes, who also spent the summer prior to her senior year interning at the ACLU and was born and raised on Indian reservation in South Dakota she'd have a much easier time getting into Harvard than a wealthy student with a similar record who went to Phillips Exeter. But to put it mildly it would be far more difficult to build such a record for the former than the latter.

> fencing prowess

I'm admittedly unfamiliar with Ivy League culture. What does fencing have to do with your application?

The Ivy League has fencing as a D1 sport (except for men's fencing at Cornell which is club). Those eight schools make up about a third of the entire NCAA division.

Under the rule of the league they can't give out athletic scholarships, but they can, and do, recruit athletes and subject to a less rigorous admissions process.

OP said "...than it would be for a similar student from a rural school", and you and I both responded to that. We're not talking about average students, in either context. I don't think Harvard or anybody would care to see IB, interning, or posh sports on the app from South Dakota so long as they see a dedicated, talented student who will thrive at university and challenge her classmates.

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