Lovely, Germany invites people, but demands other countries to take care of their guests. Social support for immigrants in Germany is higher then median salary in many EU regions.
First, Germany has a problem with social support even for Germans, Hartz 4 is horribly low and injust. Financial social support is one of the problems currently with the immigrants: It is basically non-existant. No EU region has a lower median salary than this.
Second, Immigrants are not guests, they are immigrants or fugitives, and possibly supposed to stay.
Third, Germany demands nothing new from other countries. It is EU law that they shall be registered in the countries where they arrive, and it is new and a helping offer to allow those fugitives to continue onwards to Germany. Otherwise they would have to stay in the country they arrived in. Given the tone of your comment, I doubt you would prefer that option.
Bullshit.
Oh, so now it's not Merkel but the EU.
This is reported on regally in the press if you care to research.
I'm not the one making bullshit claims here. The onus is on you to name your sources.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/12/us-germany-islam-m...
The government has announced a relaxing of the Dublin agreement, under which refugees are supposed to be sent back to the country in which they entered the EU to apply for asylum. Many war refugees, particularly from Syria, were being sent back to Italy and Greece. Germany has now said it will process the majority of such claims.
Merkel’s deputy and economics minister, Sigmar Gabriel, and the foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, both of the Social Democrats, a junior partner in Germany’s coalition government, have proposed a 10-point plan for Europe’s response to the refugee crisis. The pair called for a unified EU-wide response including fair distribution of refugees across Europe.
“As Europeans we owe it to ourselves and to the world to rise to the great challenge posed by these people looking for help,” they wrote. “We must pursue a European asylum, refugee and migration policy that is founded on the principle of solidarity and our shared values of humanity.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/26/us-europe-migrants...
"There is no tolerance for those people who question the dignity of others, no tolerance for those who are not willing to help where legal and human help is required," Merkel told reporters and local people in the town of Heidenau.
"The more people who make that clear ... the stronger we will be," she said, offering a message of support to those who have suffered abuse.
We must pursue a European asylum, refugee and migration policy that is founded on the principle of solidarity and our shared values of humanity
I don't understand. Which of your quotes "encouraged immigrants to come"?
"There is no tolerance for those people who question the dignity of others, no tolerance for those who are not willing to help where legal and human help is required"
And what is wrong with this last quote in particular? Does it hit too close to your home?
You provided random quotes, none of which support your "main point".
"There is no tolerance for those people
who question the dignity of others"
Do you even realize that Merkel is addressing people like you in this very quote?
Refugees arriving in Germany have the right to demand asylum. They have that right in every EU country.
But they may be denied asylum (after some months of processing and living in a shelter) if they do not flee from a humanitarian crisis.
Hartz 4 (long-term unemplyment aid) is basically what the country can sustainably pay without getting into the same debt spiral of Greece, etc. It's enough to survive, but not much more.
> Financial social support is one of the problems currently with the immigrants: It is basically non-existant. No EU region has a lower median salary than this.
During the processing of their asyl request, immigrants get money for housing, food, basic medical services and 140 Euro/month for leisure. Once their asyl request is accepted, they are entitled to the same social aid as any German. But you need to see money in context. Other European countries have a much lower cost of living.
> Second, Immigrants are not guests, they are immigrants or fugitives, and possibly supposed to stay.
Immigrants who are not fleeing from a humanitarian crisis get denied asyl and are expelled.
>Hartz 4 (long-term unemplyment aid) is basically what the country can sustainably pay
Pretty much. The deal with Hartz 4 is that it is a basic income that applies to every adult (children get a special deal), period. Even if you're employed you can apply for it if a certain calculation of your income minus deductions doesn't make the Hartz 4 line. That is a lot of people.
Some people do have problems with it however since it's an average. As such, depending on where you are, it will be more or less affordable. In west germany it will be less affordable to love on it than in east germany. In city centers less so than on the fringes or in small communities. I have family members on Hartz 4 in the "poorest" (most economically weak, really) parts of germany and they live VERY comfortably.
Where you are determines how "just" you will feel it is.
What people generally don't see though is that Hartz 4 is a LOT more than you get in other countries. Germany for example does not have a homeless problem like some other places i see in the news sometimes. And while complaining about Hartz 4 being too low, they also simultaneously complain about taxes being too high.
Not sure what you mean with inviting refugees and letting others care for them. Germany surely doesn't ask for more refugees but we will take care of the ones coming here.
We should bring more Germans into the government, they can take care of things, lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_...
The Germans lost their minds...
Not sure what you're getting at here. For most of the world population the situation in _any_ rich country sounds too good to be true.
The fact is that these people are mostly refugees and they come because of unbearable situations at home, war, etc. _If_ they come to Germany, we will make sure that they can get access to health care, for the same reasons we make sure our fellow unemployed citizens also get access. Nothing wrong with that.
My SO works on immigration-related statistics and she says nearly 90% of immigrants who get to us and apply for refugee status immediately leave for other countries. Granting a war refugee status may take a while, but we provide them with food, clothes and shelter for the whole time. The conditions there are better than what most of our homeless can count on. We, of course, give them access to healthcare too. It may not be on the level of Germany, but it's there and I imagine, compared to Syria, it's still "too good to be true".
Most of the immigrants just won't stay here. I don't know why and no one really is asking this question in the media. I'd like to understand this. And please note: this is nearly exclusively about Middle East immigrants. We get some - not that many - immigrants from Ukraine, both refugees and economical immigrants, and most of them choose to stay here. Almost none of them decide to travel further West without first waiting for getting their formal refugee status recognized.
I'd really appreciate any insight into the reasons for this behaviour.
And of course when you already fleet a long distance why wouldn't you cross one more border if it likely improves your situation even if the other country already provides decent support? Nowhere do small differences matter that much as at the lower end of society.
"we make sure our fellow unemployed citizens also get access." I know many counter examples to this in Germany.
There are EU countries with median wage of 350 Euro.