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Show HN: JobTrial – Try a potential fit, before a fulltime offer

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15 pointsimparvez19 comments

Congratulations on creating & shipping your 1st product!

My first reactions, in order of appearance - hope they will be helpful in crafting the UX:

1. After reading HN title: Why would anyone need a special site for Trial Period?

2. After first glance at the site: Aaah, it's only for 3 days. Why so short? Does the site help the companies make a good decision after these 3 days or is just a sourcing channel?

3. After noticing that the jobs aren't dev only: Great! So many job sites are focused on devs exclusively :)

4. After clicking "Start trial" link: Why do you want me to sign-in? I didn't notice this requirement earlier. Why Twitter? Why don't you provide some form instead?

5. After attempting to sign in with Twitter: Why do you need so many permissions? Update my profile? Post Tweets for me? Can I trust you?

6. After abandoning the sign-in and going back to home page: Aaaah there's "Pleas sign-in message at the top". It seems I was banner blind 2 minutes ago. So where is the FAQ, contact info, TOS and other stuff required to form at least basic level of trust?

So, as in case of many services it was a little emotional roller-coaster between hope, disillusionment and doubt coming form insufficient information. Fortunately all of these seem to be quite easy to fix :)

EDIT: A couple more of questions running through my head during the 1st experience with your site:

1. How will the trial look like? How much time should I reserve? (it would be great if such info would be part of Job Posting)

2. Does "Start trial" mean that I'll be instantly connected to someone? Should I expect an interview? Are the positins remote or on-site? etc.

3. Am I right to expect that the trial will be unpaid one?

Thank you so much for taking time and writing this. I haven't really concentrated much on the UX front :(, intentionally.

2) The thought process behind 3 days was job-seeker could take a 3 day off from his current workplace and try the new work. 1 or 2 days would be short, and anything more than 3 days is not feasible from the job-seekers side.

4 & 5) Trial would be provided or requested using your social/public profile i.e twitter and a personal link (could be linkedin or resume or website). So asking for twitter and personal link. Email would be needed in the case of a match between potential employer and employee, I'm sending an introduction on email to both.

6) Yeah I'll need to work on that and clarify stuff.

Edit:

1) Trial could be decided between you and the employer over email, could be remote, or physically move to the office.

2) Once any job-seeker says start trial to a posting, it will be shown to the employer. Using the public profile and the personal link provided employers shortlist candidates. When they too show an interest, email introduction is done.

3) This could as well be discussed over the email after the introduction is made. But I might have to clarify this.

Hi HN,

I design digital products, and I've always believed Designers should know code. I've never written code before. Today I'm excited to have built this all by my own. Over the last 20 days I've learnt several new concepts and pushed several lines of code.

I did not want to spend much time on the design so chose a very minimal design after getting inspired by seeing Text-only sites.

I'm interested in knowing your thoughts about the product and of course, any bugs you come across.

Although there's no serious enforcement, having those three days be uncompensated has certain legal requirements under labor laws in the US and some other jurisdictions. In particular, it may be necessary to define the terminology during that trial period in a very specific way (e.g. a "trainee"... IANAL).

That's quite interest to know. However I was going to limit myself till the introductions are made when there's a match. And leave them to discuss the terms. Like travel/stay/pay etc. Now that you've mentioned this I'll need to do some reading up. Thanks :)

For the US, you probably want to look into the US Supreme Court case Walling v. Portland Terminal. Generally speaking (again, IANAL), it sounds like the exemptions have to do with ensuring it's an educational experience that benefits the trainee more than the employer.

Communicating the terminology in advance is very important. But, do hackathons fall under these legal requirements? A group of people working for n days without compensation.

It's unclear what the profiles are all about. Is it for me as an individual or my company? Posting something cannot be deleted without sending an email. It's not ready for use imo....

My only concern before using this as a job seeker would be getting used for free work and then not hired. Maybe oder the potion to get paid over those 3 days?

is it a developer posting that I am available for a trial or company posting a job that they have a job offer?

If it's both ways, as a job seeker I would have to go through each item and understand if it's a job offer I could try.

The idea is good. But why twitter? why not a simple email? or probably linkedin is understandable.

Hi,

Its 'Companies list positions and people apply to work with them for 3 days.'

My thought process was that companies will shortlist applicants based on social/public profile and a personal link (could be linkedin or website).

Very cool idea. I think this could become a great way for companies/startups to find really great talent.

Are the salary ranges for those 3 days? Or for a year? Either way they seem too much or too little.

:).. They are Salaries per annum. Seems so little because of the dollar conversion.

I was curious. According to Quora these are the class ranges in India:

Affluent/Rich - Rs. 500,000 p.m and above. Usually businessmen & celebrities.

Upper class - Rs. 200,000 per month to Rs. 500,000 p.m.

Upper middle class- Rs. 50,000 p.m. to Rs. 200,000 p.m.

Middle-Middle class - Rs. 20,000 p.m to Rs. 50,000 p.m.

Lower-middle class - Rs. 10,000 p.m to Rs. 20,000 p.m.

Lower class - Rs. 6,000 per month to Rs. 10,000 per month

Poor - Less than Rs. 6,000 p.m.

By glance $10,000 per year seems like a good average. Which is 661,500 INR per year or about 55,000 per month.

E-commerce giants in India pay Rs. 1,500,000 - 2,500,000 for a good UX designer. And developers salaries fall in this range too for node/angular/scala.

Is that per year or month?

Sorry thats per annum.

The range of Rs. 1,500,000 - 2,500,000 per 'month' is limited to CXOs of Indian companies. It's way too high for designers or developers, primarily due to the cost of living.

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