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Keep in mind that this kind of news (such that government aided IS) are produced/propagated by a group in Turkey who's sole aim is to overthrow the current government because of an evident power struggle. Just take it with a large grain of salt.

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If you read this document - uncovered by Judicial Watch (conservative organisation) through FOIA request - it doesn't seem to be propaganda news: http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-...

Good analysis: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/05/newly-declassified-u-...

Confirmation by the former DIA director: http://levantreport.com/2015/08/06/former-dia-chief-michael-...

You're saying the news is fake or that simply spreading it is the real propaganda? What's this group name, by the way?

Parent is referring to Gulenists, followers of Fethullah Gulen, a cleric living in exile in Pennsylvania. The news may be true as well, although source is as bad as the ruling party in Turkey. But the current situation in Turkey makes it almost impossible to investigate such claims. Maybe in the future.

Group is so called Gulen movement. Their media outlets are constantly spreading this kind of anti-government news, as they have a feud with them. These guys are well organized, well hid and well educated. Funnily enough many western media uses them as their primary news source.

From what I see, there may have been a help to Syrian rebels, nobody denies that anyway. But claiming it was "IS" and help was sent to them deliberately is just wrong.

Actually this article is weird, it says "Turkish daily" in the headline but never mentions what this term means in the article, it mentions a "daily Bugun" newspaper, maybe he means "Bugun newspaper" as "Turkish Daily"? In general a very poorly structured article.

This might be true, but keep in mind that all Europeans that travel to fight for IS pass through Turkey without much resistance. They are officially against IS, but they have their own agenda in the area (i.e. the PKK).

I would simply say Hanlon's razor. Before shit got real they did not care much who passes from there I guess.

This is inaccurate and misleading. Saying that it's produced/propagated by this vague group with no evidence is produced/propagated by you right now. There is a lot of evidence on the other hand that weapons are being transported to Syria via Turkey, is that with the knowledge of the government or not can't be proven, but it's as credible of an option as them (government) supposedly helping to fight IS.

the group is not vague at all. And their media outlets are constantly spreading such news. As repeatedly I said, IS is a late comer to Syria and there are many other groups there. Putting IS to the context just changes the ball game.

These are the photographs mentioned in the news: http://www.bugun.com.tr/gundem/sok-fotograflar-haberi/181054...

The fact that these are reported by an organization which is anti-government does not make it false.

I agree that we should take any news with a large grain of salt.

where is IS in that photo?

You can read YPG on that DIY "tank". http://img.bugun.com.tr/newsFiles/arsiv/nakil7_31_08_15.jpg

And a YPG (kurdish group fighting ISIS) militant doing tawhid, hand sign done with index finger belonging to radical islamist groups? You're such a troll.

Look at the front side. It's written there in blue.

But remember that Erdogan's party's sympathy for IS is a well known fact with lots of evidence, none proved to be false or untrue to this date. This power struggle only makes clear that both sides you mention (and they were close friends until 2014) are criminal organizations battling for power.

I don't see the facts or the evidence as you do. Problem is that IS is a completely different beast, even many radical opposition groups in Syria hate them. There were and there are many other opposition forces before even IS appeared in Syria which might be helped by governments and there may have been logistics screw ups as well. But telling IS got helped deliberately crosses the line in my mind.

Here's one for you: 'ISIS Sees Turkey as Its Ally': Former Islamic State Member Reveals Turkish Army Cooperation

http://europe.newsweek.com/isis-and-turkey-cooperate-destroy...

Do you also think it's fabricated?

From all I know, they see the current government as "tyrants" and "enemy of God". They may see some radicals here as their allies but this news is much like "i heard that", "he said this" kind.

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