Comment by jmonegro | Hacker News Reader

Comment by jmonegro | Hacker News Reader

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Using downvotes as a way of expressing disagreement is, I believe, unfair to a commenter if he/she is courteously stating his/her point of view or idea, mainly because downvoting inflicts a penalty on the user's karma - which many users, I surmise, care about.

I don't think users should be penalized for siding with one aspect of an discussion just because other users disagree and proceed to downvote based on their own personal opinion. It's not even the best way of determining majority (which I believe is, partly, the purpose of the system), since not every user makes use of the feature.

Some sort of hybrid might be the most comprehensive solution. Probably something along the lines of upvotes raise karma (compensating good input), downvotes don't affect karma (their purpose becomes, then, to provide insight on the general opinion of a subject), and flags affect karma negatively for rude or uncivilized comments.

Strictly speaking a vote does affect someone's karma. But it doesn't cause their karma to be net decreased as a result of posting a comment unless you downvote the comment below 1, which most people don't do lightly. I think of the up and downvoting as a collaboration to determine how much additional karma someone should get for posting a new comment.

So the original purpose of binding comment scores to karma was to _supplement_ the overall karma of a user? Not to be confounded as one of the core ideas behind the whole system?

Regardless of the original purpose, I think that fomenting conversation should be one of the most prominent ideas behind the whole karma deal. The comments and the conversations are what make HN different (and, of course, demographics, which consequently means that the comments of this given demographic, self-targeted, is what makes HN great), and I know many concur with that statement.

Yes to the first question: the better comments you make, the more points you get. I'm not sure what you mean by the second.

What I mean by the second part is that comment shouldn't be a supplement of score, but one of the most prominent factors affecting it.

which most people don't do lightly

Perhaps this is no longer true?

Regardless, the fact the downvoting is just as easy as upvoting (and has no undo) strikes me as odd.

I suggest downvoting cost the voter something, not just the votee. 1:1 seems simple enough. It would also give greater pause to newer users than veterans. However, an undo (perhaps timed like comment editing) would be more desirable in this case.

I agree, it should cost the voter 1:1 to downvote a comment, but only one that's already below 0.

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